Talk:Passer rating
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[edit] Cleanup
From the article: Another criticism is the fact that rushing yards gained by a quarterback do not result in his getting a higher rating — a particularly important contemporary issue due to the recent emergence of many excellent running quarterbacks in the NFL, most notably Steve Young, Daunte Culpepper, Donovan McNabb, John Elway and Michael Vick and players like Damon Allen and Kerry Joseph in the CFL.. On the other hand, Vick holds the NCAA freshman record for passing efficiency and Young is the former record holder for passer rating in a season. This record was shattered in 2004 by Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning.
Response: The entire "On the other hand..." statement about NCAA passing efficiency records is not only irrelevant, there's no way that Peyton Manning, in the NFL in 2004, could break an NCAA record in that year! This section is poorly worded, and seems more like a backhand attempt to promote Vick and Young.
-- MattBattison
Another Response: And was John Elway ever a mobile quarterback? He certainly wasn't toward the end of his career...
[edit] Unnecessarily complex
An obvious criticism -- I'm surprised it's not mentioned -- is that the rating is too complex and thus has no intuitive meaning for regular fans. If the TV announcer says that the starting QB has thrown 2 interceptions in each of the last 14 games, the average viewer will think that the the QB should perhaps be replaced. If the same announcer says that the QB has had a rating of 91.2 for the year, most viewers will await a further prompt ("... which is the highest in the conference!") to digest the information better. This isn't true of yards per carry, batting average, rebounds per game, etc. Even more complicated stats like slugging percentage at least measure something pretty straightforward. QB rating doesn't measure anything, it's an attempt to produce a super-stat that represents everything about a QB.Priceyeah 20:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Alternate Rating
This chart [1] shows the draft results of a new rating formula I propose (min. 100 games):
TG=TDs per game YG=yards per game TD-INT=career differential
PC=%completion SBW=SuperBowl wins SBA=Superbowl appearances:
rating = [0.20 * TG + 0.20 * YG / 100 + 0.20 * (TD − INT) / 100 + 0.20 * PC + 0.15 * SBW + 0.05 * SBA] / 2.5
This rating addresses some of the criticisms of the current rating formula on the main page --Billymac00 02:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hall of Fame
as of 2006, there are 23 modern era QBs in the Hall of Fame, alphabetically:
Aikman,Blanda,Bradshaw,Dawson,Elway,Fouts,Graham,Griese,Jurgensen,Kelly,Layne
Marino,Montana,Moon,Namath,Starr,Staubach,Tarkenton,Tittle,Unitas,VanBrocklin
Waterfield and Young.
Examining the statistics, the typical Hall of Fame quarterback will exceed the following career criteria:
attempts>4500, yards >30000, TDs>150 and TD/INT ratio > 1.25, %completion >50%.
Often the HOF quarterback has a Superbowl win and appears in the all-time top 10 for at least 1 major passing category.
A quarterback appears to be a "lock" if he meets any of the following over his career:
TDs>250(Manning*,Montana,Favre*,Marino,Fouts,Moon,Jurgensen,Tarkenton,Elway,Unitas)
completions>3000 (Montana,Fouts,Moon,Elway,Tarkenton,Favre*)
TD/INT ratio > 1.50 (Young,Manning*,Montana,Brady*,Favre*,Marino,Cunningham*)
%completion>60% (Kelly,Favre*,Aikman,Brady*,Young,Montana,Manning*)
has multiple SuperBowl wins (Bradshaw,Brady*,Montana,Starr,Young,Aikman,Elway)
Considering the aforementioned, three active players, Favre, PManning, and Brady are locks to get in, and strong cases can be made for McNabb*,McNair* and Cunningham.
- indicates not yet in HOF
--Billymac00 15:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] College System
The article does not explain what the college formula is. Does anyone know? Makerowner 04:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
KISS. I propose the following formula:
rating = 100 * (((comp / att) / (quarters / 4)) + ((yards / (quarters / 4)) / 100) + ((td − int) / (quarters / 4)))
Where "yards" is equal to the QB's total yards, both QB running and QB passing... hey, the QB got the yards right?
