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german prison camp

Ehrenhain Zeithain or it could be Stalag XIII-D http://www.stsg.de/main/zeithain/ueberblick/einfuehrung/

Nurnberg (Nuremberg), Bavaria (Officers)

http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:hrlFr8_7NWQJ:www.303rdbga.com/pow-camps.html+italian+prisoners+of+war+germany&hl=en http://www.b24.net/pow/The%20Nuremberg%20POW%20camps%201939%20-%201945.htm http://www.catholicleague.org/piusxii_and_the_holocaust/italmit.htm

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http://www.chbooks.com/online/eastwest/index.html WP:CWNB

http://www.chbooks.com/ campus-co-op buildings own the old coach house on bpnichole lane just south of *rochdale - campus co-op has to sell, demolishing the historic structure, and maybe ba new res

tables ample http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Oven_Fresh

improve: Neo-evangelicalism

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[edit] Welcome to the Wikipedia

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[edit] A Request

Over at Culture of the United Kingdom one of the main things that is stopping us from putting it forward as a featured article candidate is the fact that the art section is so small (one small paragraph). You have listed yourself on Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by fields of interest as someone with an interest in art. Would you be able to pop over there at some point and help us to expand the section please? Many thanks. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 11:54, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] External links

Heya, nice job at André Rieu! The style guide says that even if there's one link the section is called External Links by the way. Happy new year! --fvw* 20:25, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)

[edit] The Roch

Nice job on the Rochdale collage article. It brought back memories, seeing as I lived there for 3 years. I wish I still had some of the original documents, newsletters, posters, and paraphenalia, so I could do jpeg's for the article, but I disposed of them decades ago.mydogategodshat 01:08, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

  • Thanks! I hope everything I wrote is true and correct. It seems to me that something like Rochdale could never exist today in Toronto. It must have been a part of the idealism of the 1060s, which is now entirely lost and can't even be imagined. I wish I could find more Rochdale paraphenalia, so far I've found slim pickings on the web -- but some great CBC films about it. Paradiso 22:38, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wang Ch'ung

The addition of his period and of the links were very helpful. I'm afraid that your changes to the grammar and style sometimes inadvertently changed the meaning, though, and sometimes made ambiguous what had been unambiguous. I've changed what needed to be changed. Some of your edits were merely matters of personal style (deprecated in Wikipedia, I think); I've sometimes left those, where it didn't matter. You changed my 'unself-inflicted' to 'self-inflicted'; do you have reason to believe that his poverty was deliberate? My understandiong was that it wasn't. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:55, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I did not intend to change the meaning (oops!). I thought the writing was awkward and wordy, so I was trying to make things read clear and precisely.
I thought that by 'unself-inflicted' you actually meant that his poverty was, in fact, deliberate, so I changed it to 'self-inflicted.' So how about saying 'non-self-inflicted,' or simply saying that he lived in poverty? Why do you want to mention that it was not self-inflicted? Why not just say he lived in poverty? Was it common for philosphers to be asetics or to be wealthy? If so, then that should be mentioned and not assumed that readers (like myself) would know.
Also, your sentence "Unusually for a Chinese philosopher of the period" is not grammatically correct. It sounds very awkward and I had to read it twice before I understood what you meant. I do not think one should use “Unusually” in this way. Paradiso 22:21, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Non-self-inflicted is better (I don't know why I didn't use that in the first place). What made him unusual was that he was poor — not deliberately ascetic, but actually poor.
I'm genuinely puzzled by your last point, though; it's standard English grammar, a construction found in countless places in literature, academic texts, even journalism. I've used it in a popular book myself, and neither editor nor readers balked at it. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Maybe it is a Canadian/American convention vs British convention, but "Unusual for a Chinese philosopher of the period..." sounds correct, while "Unusually for a Chinese philosopher of the period..." sounds very odd to me. If it is actually acceptable in British English then I certainly don't mind. Paradiso 22:01, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Well, the grammatical explanation would be that 'unusual' is an adjective, so needs to govern a noun — but here it's governing 'he was', so we need the adverb 'unusually'. Your version doesn't look wrong to my eyes (you've changed it so that the adjective governs 'he'), it just reads less naturally. You're probably right, it's an Atlantic-rift thing. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:08, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Oxag vandalism

The vandal is using a known bug in Wikipedia software. Hopefully it will be fixed soon. -- Curps 04:32, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Aboriginal" vs. "First Nation"

Hello! In response to your question to me regarding the List of place names in Canada of aboriginal origin, I understand how the terminology of First Nation and aboriginal can be confusing. The Government of Canada's Department of Indian and Northern Affairs has an excellent page defining key terminology such as this. You can find it here. Briefly, the terms "aboriginal" and "First Peoples" both describe collectively the First Nations, Inuit, and Métis, all of whom have very distinct histories and cultures. I therefore renamed the article to use aboriginal instead of First Nations so that it accurately encompassed places in Canada named by the Inuit and/or Métis people, such as Nunavut. I understand that the proper use of these terms is hit and miss on Wikipedia, but I'm slowly working to ensure our terminology here matches the terminology used by the Government of Canada. I hope this helps, Kurieeto 03:21, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Another luthier

Paradiso, I see that you did much of the work on the list of luthiers. For me, this is an area of profound ignorance, although I do at least know a lute when I see or hear one, and I suppose that creating even a mediocre lute must be fiendishly difficult. I happened to run across Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Quercetani, and found the nomination and first vote peculiarly fatuous. I knew nothing of Quercetani (but admit to a gut feeling that any luthier is intrinsically noteworthy). You may wish to vote one way or another on the article, or to improve it in some way. I don't suppose there's any need to reply, but if you do reply, please do so here (I'll be watching this page). Thanks, Hoary 04:01, 2005 Mar 30 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the heads up! My vote is to keep. I tried to add some stuff to the article, can still be imporved. Do you know of any other luthiers not listed on the luthier page? Paradiso 07:26, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Sorry, no. In some cobwebby box somewhere I do have a handful LPs of lute music, and perhaps the makers are mentioned, but that's about it. (I came across this article simply as it was in the "Newpages" list.) -- Hoary 07:51, 2005 Mar 30 (UTC)
      • Sorry, what I meant was, do you know of any other luthiers that have WP articles that are not listed on the luthier page? Its ok, I'll try to catch them. Paradiso 07:55, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
        • Nope. I suppose you'd just search for "lute". -- Hoary 08:27, 2005 Mar 30 (UTC)

[edit] Categories and subcategories

Paradiso, this shows you adding [[Category:Photography]] to a page that was already marked [[Category:Photography companies]]. However, the latter is a subcategory of the former. It's my understanding that for this very reason the article should not be marked [[Category:Photography]]. Let's take a, er, hypothetical example and suppose that a Mr Crabapple is a luthier and a violin-maker (neither of which implies the other), and that there are categories for luthiers, violin-makers, and (including the former two, as well as much else) musical-instrument-makers. Then Mr C should be added to the former two categories, but not to the third.

I'm sure I've read this somewhere; sorry but right now I lack the stamina to search for the explanatory page. -- Hoary 09:09, 2005 Apr 2 (UTC)

Howdy Hoary! I know what you mean (re. stamina and everything else you said!). I'll explain to you my thinking, and if I am going against some kind of WP policy then I'll change things around. Categories help to direct readers to articles. Categories are always helpful as long as they are relevant. If there are several relevant categories that are similar or subcategories of each other, then add them all! (Since they are all helpful.) What do you think? The specific reason I put the general Category:Photography onto the Voigtländer article was because he helped develop the daguerrotype, and I thought this bit of info belonged in Category:Photography even thougth the thrust of the article is about the Voigtländer company. Should I ask an administrator if there are guidlines about this? (By the way, let's link daguerrotype.) Paradiso 09:27, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Actually I've already reverted. (Hey, let's get into an edit war over this! Then I'll be banned for 24 hours or whatever, and will get a much-needed (enforced) break from WP!) Nuthin' personal. Well, I agree in part with you, and disagree in part. I'm sure that a page explains this, but I can't find it. Yes, do please ask an admin, preferably a big ogre of an admin wielding a very big stick. (Or a small one with a stiletto.) -- Hoary 09:33, 2005 Apr 2 (UTC) ...PS I've just now corrected a disastrous typo in my first message ("Paradiso..."); if it didn't make much sense the first time, note that one category name has now been changed. -- Hoary 09:35, 2005 Apr 2 (UTC)
I like the administrator in stilettos idea! Paradiso 09:39, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
And fishnet stockings. Yes, I think Wikipedia:Categorization explains this one. -- Hoary 01:47, 2005 Apr 3 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your support

Thanks for your support for my adminship. -- Sundar (talk • contribs) 00:18, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting my adminship — I vow to use my super powers for good not evil. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:44, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] thanks!

--for supporting my recent RFA, and for the kind words. Oh, and hello from a fellow violinist!  :-) Happy editing, Antandrus 03:22, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV comments

Your page states: NPOV is a fallacy because it assumes objectivity. There is no such thing as objectivity. I don't think that the first statement follows from the second. The Wiki NPOV#There's no such thing as objectivity article itself agrees with you on point two: [the policy] "doesn't assume that it's possible to write an article from a single, unbiased, objective point of view". So it really isn't a "fallacy", because it does not assume objectivity. Rather it is a goal which we strive for. Wouldn't you agree that we can't be perfect, but we should still try? --Blainster 07:20, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • You're right, and I don't think that I'm using the term "fallacy" right either. But anyways, I know about the line you just quoted, and my little argument was something I just wrote out off the top of my head and at this point it's still only half-baked. But I think what I was trying to say was that the best we can do is consensus, because when an article's NPOV is disputed it ends up in a debate on a talk page and then it all comes down to consensus. Consensus therefore over-rules what any one person might think is NPOV. I think I was just tired with editors that have extremely strong opinions who are unwilling to compromise what they obviously believe is the objective truth. But, alas, consensus must over-ride personal opinion, since no one can agree on what the objective truth is. I think THAT is how we try to be "perfect," as you suggested. I guess I should try to rework my syllogism. Paradiso 07:56, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rochdale

I think you should go ahead and make your edits with the sources identified. I will keep an eye on the page and revert where necessary. Thanks for the good work. Ground Zero 17:29, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

My very first NPOV tag ever, and you make it unnecessary within minutes. Nice work, and thanks. Adding in the references may not prevent further edits, but it means that we're justified in making quick reversions. We'll have to keep an eye it. Ground Zero 02:18, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Netbux

Please reconsider your vote to delete the article Netbux, which has been completely re-written. Your delete vote reflects your attitute to the previous version of the page, but I am sure your vote will be to keep the current version. Thanks. THE KING 08:15, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Biography Naming Conventions: Journalistic vs. Formal Style

I wanted to thank you for your help with Biography Naming Conventions: Journalistic vs. Formal Style. Although we may differ on style, it's go to be able to agree with someone about that difference. :-) --ghost 15:57, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] OCAD

The Ontario College of Art & Design is not a community college, so can you explain to me why you keep reverting my changes? This link [1] says "Our distinct university education in art and design focuses on creativity and innovation." This link [2] says "With a large university campus dedicated exclusively to the visual arts, OCAD offers students more depth and breadth in course offerings in art and design than any other institution in Canada." This link [3] says "Today, OCAD is the third largest of the approximately 40 professional art and design universities in North America." That link also says "Its university status has led to a number of significant changes such as a renewed curriculum, a new professorial structure for faculty, a research mandate, a new system of governance, and preliminary groundwork for future graduate programs." Darkcore 22:05, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Darkcore! I wasn’t sure who was doing it, otherwise I would have spoken to you about it.
This is the problem – and I am not sure how to solve it:
OCAD (my own alma mater, among others) recently started offering university (4-year Bachelor’s) degrees. This is the exact same situation with all the other “community colleges” listed in this section. They all offer degrees in programmes that suit their school’s own focus. These degrees are not offered in cooperation with any other institution but taken completely within the one school. The only exception is RCM’s Glen Gould School [4] that offers a degree in cooperation with another school.
“Community Colleges” that now offer their own degrees:
Seneca [5]
Centennial [6]
Humber [7]
Tyndale University College and Seminary [8]
Some are called “universities,” others are called “colleges,” and these terms used to mean something different in Canada, but I guess that isn’t always the case any more since BOTH kinds of schools offer degrees AND diplomas.
Therefore, do you think we should make any distinction at all between universities and community colleges, or just call them all “universities” (as you’re suggesting with OCAD, even though it has the word “college” in its name), OR, as they do in the US, call them all “colleges” and specify “community college” only when they do not offer degrees?
Sorry for the long response. Paradiso 22:51, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

By my understanding, a community college is not necessarily defined by the types of degrees it grants, but rather, by its "open admission" status. That is, the community colleges you mentioned that offer bachelor's degrees are typically open to anyone that meets a specific requirement (e.g., Grade 12). (Though I realize that some high demand programs, such as Sheridan's graphic design program, are not entirely "open admission".) On the other hand, universities do not have an open admission policy. (I don't like the way Americans use the word "college" because of its ambiguity and, besides, that usage is not really widespread in Canada anyway.)

As such, I think it would be misleading to call Seneca et al. "universities" since they really aren't. As far as I can tell, they don't call themselves universities and I don't think you'll meet many Torontonians who would either.

I'm not sure if you saw my edit, but I didn't label OCAD as either a community college or a university, choosing instead the more vague "art school". I feel that this is an appropriate compromise. Let me know what you think. Darkcore 00:29, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm generally not a fan of lists in a city article, because they give very little information and offer limited flexibility, and an encyclopedia, I feel, should read more like prose.
That being said, I think there is still a strong distinction between community colleges and universities in Ontario. Community colleges are geared to vocational and applied skills training (hence their distinction as "colleges of applied arts and technology" [9]) while universities are geared more towards academic pursuits and research. The bachelor's degree programs that I reviewed at the various community colleges were applied in their nature and geared towards developing the necessary skills to enter the workforce quickly. (This is probably in response to the fears associated with receiving a "traditional" bachelor's degree and that many graduates are having difficulty finding appropriate work after graduation.) Bachelor's programs at "traditional" universities are much more general in nature and allow people to study a broad range of topics. We can even include this information in the article itself.
I'm not saying that one is better than the other, and I don't think that the article is doing this either, but since there is a distinction between the two, it would be misleading to just lump together all of the post-secondary institutions together, since Seneca College, for example, is not the same as the University of Toronto, and is not the same as OCAD. Darkcore 16:19, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User categorisation

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[edit] Bringing Wikipedia to Toronto

I've been working on a bid to bring Wikimania 2006 to Toronto. I have contacted KMDI, an institute at the University of Toronto. They are very interested in partnering with us, and can get us a full range of U of T facilities for free. With this offer I think there is a very good chance of bringing Wikimania 2006 to Toronto. The only thing we currently lack are people willing to help out. I'm willing to do much of the work, but for the time being I am in Ottawa and having some people on the ground in Toronto will be necessary. We also need a number of people willing to assist at the actual event, likely the first weekend of August 2006. If you are interested in helping out sign up at Wikimania 2006/Toronto. Preliminary bids from various cities need to be made by Sept. 30, 2005, at which point a committee will choose which city gets to host the event. The number of people willing to help will certainly be an important consideration. - SimonP 16:32, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] BpNichol Lane

I just wanted to inform you that this article now redirects to B. P. Nichol. Many Toronto-area roads are being nominated for deletion because they aren't significant enough. While bpnichol Lane meets that criteria too, it has sufficient links to the author that a redirect was made. Let me know if you have questions or concerns aobut this. Mindmatrix 18:05, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimania meeting tommorrow

Hello, and thanks for signing up at Wikimania_2006/Toronto. It has been announced that there will be a half hour meeting on the Wikimania IRC channel tomorrow October 2, at 20:00 UST (4:00 pm EST) to pick the 3 city shortlist. It would be great if you could attend. Also these are our last hours to ensure that our bid at Wikimania_2006/Toronto is as good as it can be, so any improvements to it would also be useful. There are now four cities in the running, so tomorrow one is getting cut. - SimonP 20:52, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki Birthday Balloon

Award Wiki birthday to you! Wiki birthday, dear Paradiso! Wiki birthday to you!

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[edit] Rochdale College

Hi Paradiso,

I'm doing some research on Rochdale colleg, but I cannot find any formal connection between it and Innis college. Can you please explain if there is any, as you implied, or if the 'association' is not based on any formal connection? thanks. Xuzicheng 22:33, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User categorisation

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[edit] Wikimedia Canada

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[edit] Fellow blogger

Hi,

I hope you're OK with this post. Please, remove it if it's not the right place to do this. I just started a blog on Blog spot and my first post is about Wikipedia. Since you're a user of both, maybe you could help me advertise it a little bit. If you can't that's ok. Here's the link.

[edit] A. W. Tozer

Paul, I've just done a bit of editing to Aiden Wilson Tozer. As you created the page, you might like to review my edits, and the earlier ones by other users. Also please look in Talk:Aiden Wilson Tozer. DFH 18:12, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:RivkaGolani.jpg

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hello,are you canadian?

Hello. Yes I am. Paradiso 04:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mariano Di Gangi and Daniel Band....

Not that we'd see them together in concert (although Dr D's pastor son-in-law did attend a couple of concerts...as a prayerful supporter), but I appreciate seeing that you participated in the Afd, resulting in KEEP. I've also updated Daniel Band's entry with a 2006 rehash of their 4 gigs this year (didn't mention the Pickering "dry-run" the week prior to Audio Adrenaline farewell)...thanks for your part in starting that a couple years ago! Bacl-presby 00:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saw that you weren't notified of this ...

Actually, I didn't do the prod, but I wanted to be sure someone put a notice here. Pastordavid 02:49, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bayview Glen Church

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[edit] Churches Deletion

Someone did the Advent thing and put up a massive list of Churches recently, including a number of stubs I've worked on...(and all listed in Churches in Edmonton)...guess there are some Scrooges out there, uttering Bah, Humbug....' Bacl-presby 23:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Harry Fleishman

Hello, I have been trawling through the Articles lacking sources from December 2005 and this one which you created came up, a quick search of the internet revealed nothing, my next move is to check the articles history to get a bit of a feel for the contributors. When I did this you came up as creator and you are still active, this is usually not the case. I am hopeful that you can provide those references and help clear this backlog, many thanks --Matt 04:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

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