Talk:Paris Hilton/Archive 3

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Where Paris-related news goes

Much valid wiki-able information still isn't relevant to this article because this is a general biographical article, not a play-by-play of the tabloids. However, where this news is otherwise relevant to society it may belong elsewhere on Wikipedia.

Criticisms - Everyone famous gets them, their worth is proven by the test of time. For now, collect them under their author if they're famous enough to bother. That provides context (ie, SouthPark insults many people...)

Activities - Not every action of a celeb is news. If Paris "Flashes", write a Celebrity_Flashing page and document the issue there, as if Any Q. Celeb was documented doing and liking anything (smoking, swimming, politics, etc)

This discussion page is not about Paris and discussion about her should be posted on other sites. Unless your opinion is on the subject of the "Paris Hilton Wikipedia page" it is not relevant and will be deleted.

Please leave this message up until the discussion calms down.

24.82.19.224 16:19, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Info Box Thing

There used to be a box thing on the right side of a part of the article that displayed her height, wieght, measurments, natural hair color, ect. What happened to it, its gone

Stop the Hate

I just wanted to say that it is very annoying how this discussion section is full of rude stuff about her that isn't even true. Wikipedia is devoted to truthfull and accurate articles, nothing like the 3 things below me. I just wanted to point out that Paris Hilton is a person, just like you and me, but she is just rich. Sure, she was a bit messed up in the past, but we all make mistakes, and she shouldn't be randomly called a slut and stuff in the wikipedia article, be aware that we have something for just that: www.uncyclopedia.org

Xaritix 22:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

German shepherd

"She initially became well known due to her participation in the reality series, The Simple Life and 1 Night in Paris, an unauthorized sex video of her with her then-boyfriend Rick Salomon and a German Shepard who was later decapitated on film, which was leaked onto the Internet."

...Yeah...

Why is there no criticism section?

why is there no critical reception mentioned in this entry? ill tell you, cause paris and her minions are writing this themselves. thats why.

Paris Hilton is one of the most consistently criticized celebritys out there, it forms a large part of her reputation. The ommision of a criticism section doesn't make sense.

paris hilton is not a singer, an actress, and esp. not an author.

she may have "done" of all these things but that doesnt make her one. so she walked down a cat walk and actually got booed at DURING a movie. that doesnt mean shes an actress. My grandfather used to let me fly his plane does that make me a pilot?

Do you really think she wrote her own book? it is ok to list these things but come on. shes not an author. F Scott Fitzgerald was an author. Paris Hilton is a media whore.

hacked cell phone

Where is the section describing how Paris' address book being hacked? This was a really huge and well known thing that I would expect something as informative as wikipedia would have.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/21/technology/personaltech/hilton_cellphone/?cnn=yes

In Playboy in September?

Paris has posed for Playboy for the most recent issue (the one with the Girls Next Door pictorial). The spread involves around 10 photos, some completely nude and entirely revealing. EDIT: After doing some research, I discovered that Playboy did not get Hilton to pose nude, but rather paid a lot of money for a convincing look-a-like. Interesting...

The model's name is Natalie Reid, she's in the September issue and it's five pictures.

modeling question

when did paris start modeling?

I don't know the exact date, but she did runway shows before she was a household name, and then right when she started being a household name when when she got the gap ads. She did either a Maxim or FHM spread with sis Nikki way, way before the SImple Life started as well.

--71.135.121.89 04:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I dont buy this "she did runway shows" stuff. why would a billionaire work on the catwalk. this is all publicity hype and wikipedia should look into what is going on here cause this entry reads like an advertisment.

Tonight Show with David Letterman?

It says she was on "the Tonight Show with David Letterman." Of course,it should be "the Late Show with David Letterman."

There should be more content about how she was recieved on the late show. On what a joke she was.

WHAT HAPPENED???

Sorry but there's a commercial use of this article by yellow.de it's a publicity the way it is put i suggest you remove the link, itried to do so but...

To all the news like Paris' sidekick hacked, and all the other stunts??? Lil Flip246 ~

Not nesacary for an encyclopedia, hardly worth noting. Removed. Celebrity-Benji 23:03, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

But that was major news. It was as big as her sex tape news. Lil Flip246 01:12, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Not really. Maybe it was for a couple of weeks when it happened. But it didn't make much of an ongoing impact, it happened, and everyone involved moved on pretty quickly. Celebrity-Benji 01:39, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah but it was just as big as her sex tape. I mean hundreds of celeb phone numbers were released. Plus pics of her making out with an MTV VJ.Lil Flip246 11:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but Wiki is not a news site, and it barely made much of an impact. The phone numbers and pictures were released, but it was qucikly forgotten. The majority of the celebrities whose numbers were leaked forgave Hilton soon after, and Hilton did not seem bothered by the leaked pictures at all. No way was it as big as her sex tape; which got a commercial DVD release.Celebrity-Benji 11:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree with Celebrity-Benji on this point; in an age of information privacy breaches and thefts making the headlines, this was possibly the first and to date the largest celebrity personal information breach, and deserves mentioning on Wikipedia, and what better place than in this article? If it was there in the past, it ought to be restored; if it was never there, a new mention of it should be written. Robert K S 21:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

And if it's not a news site as you claim, we already know it's a fan site, why do you advertise release dates of albums and names of perfumes? is advertising allowed on wiki?

But this was the first incident in which hundreds of celebs phone numbers were released to the public. Lil Flip246 02:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

That's nice. Why did you post that twice? Celebrity-Benji 01:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

??????Lil Flip246 14:18, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

It's just as important news as her Sex tape. Lil Flip246 17:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

No, it isn't. --Golbez 18:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Lil Flip, it was quite newsworthy, but readng the whole article alot of her stunts arent noted on the article. Hmmm Myrockstar 14:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

What happened to her Personal Life on the article?? She dated many stars such as Nick Carter. She was recently photographed kissing Brandon Davis. But nothing on her personal life is on the article either. Why is it NOT included?? What's the problem? Every other celebrity in the tabloids has a Personal Life section on their wikipedia pages. But not Paris, the biggest tabloid target of all?? Why?? Lil Flip246 17:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

What happened with her personal life. There are many articles like Madonna who have their personal life section. But this article says nothing. It doesn't even say about how Nicole and her have been friends since they were kids, and how they broke up. Lil Flip246 16:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

This is the worst article ever. I mean it doesn't have ANYTHING ABOUT HER PERSONAL LIFE like all other articles have of famous celebs. It says nothing about her and Nicole's relationship. It says nothing about her famous hacked sidekick.. Lil Flip246 15:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. --ElKevbo 16:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I've fixed the article because it was very poorly arranged. Alot of her personal life was in the media spotlight, so I made a section for personal life. Please keep it arranged this way. Lil Flip246 17:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

To Thegoodson

Would you mind explaining why you continue to remove the {{citationneeded}} tag from the infobox? It still contains unsourced claims. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but there is a dispute over whether blonde is Hilton's natural hair color (not to mention the other unsourced details). Sources are needed for these claims. Kasreyn 22:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I would prefer if we didn't use that tag at all in this article and removed the uncited information per WP:LIVING. --ElKevbo 22:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll drink to that. Skal! Kasreyn 23:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

She's blonde. There is no if's, ands or buts about it. I once watched a clip about her on VH1 and they gave out the info. They stated that her eyes were brown and she was a natural blonde. I know that is not enough "evidence", but anyone that has seen it or anyone that knows anything about Paris Hilton, will know that she is a natural blonde. She's German/Scandinavian for christ sakes - what color hair do you expect her to have? Black? TheGoodSon 5:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Plenty of Germans and Scandinavians have brown hair. The color of her hair has been disputed here, and ElKevbo has pointed out that it's even better to simply remove the info box as it's not particularly useful. I'd tend to side with him if we can't find a source for the claims. You say that "anyone knows" these things - if that's the case, why do we need the infobox? Kasreyn 20:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

actually, no, shes not. i havent watched the VH1 clip you mentioned but a simple google search will show you that she was in fact a brunette. you can even find pictures of her as a brunette while she was only a teenager. i think the fact that shes not a natural blonde should be included in the article since shes so often regarded as a typical "dumb blonde" and even became a symbolic one —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.234.16.145 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 20 December 2006.

What happened to the "Trivia"/"Takeoffs" section?

I seem to remember that this article used to have a section labelled "Trivia" or "Takeoffs" or something, which contained stuff like how the female characters in White Chicks was a takeoff on Paris & Nicky Hilton, etc. If no one has any objection, I think I shall put it back in there, especially since the cartoon Luann currently has a storyline in which one of the characters is using "Sheraton St. Louis" as her stage name, which is obviously a takeoff on Paris Hilton :) -- Jalabi99 15:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I doubt this ditz is smart enough to come up with "Sheraton St. Louis." I wonder which of her handlers thought that up....

German-American?

A great-great grandparent on her father's side was German. At the risk of sounding pedantic, isn't such a connection a bit too distant to warrant a mention? It would be more accurate to classify her as of primarily British ancestry.

24.222.244.17 21:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Paris and Nicholes Feud

Paris and Nicholes' feud is in regard to Nichole watching Paris' sex tape in a public theatre with friends.

That's actually just speculation, not confirmed. --71.135.121.89 04:39, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Criticisms???

Why is there no section on criticisms of any kind? Bihal 04:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Why? Who wants to be criticized anyway. Wallie 09:32, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

It's not a question of whether she wants to be. She has been heavily criticised by the public and in the public media and I think this should be mentioned and referenced. Bihal 04:14, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Tend to agree with Bihal. However, note that under WP:LIVING, criticisms and negative commentary about living persons must pass a stricter scrutiny in terms of verifiability. I would say that there are sufficient verifiable sources for at least some mention of her critics. Kasreyn 21:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

What's there to criticize? Billious 12:41, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea, but I hear people criticizing her all the time. I came to this page to see if I could find out why. There does need to be criticism section here. -NorsemanII 17:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

The trouble with articles on tabloid celebrities like Ms. Hilton is that pretty much only the tabloid press will bother to report on them. Therefore, most of the sources for any claims - generally both the positive claims and the negative claims - are pretty unreliable by nature, because the papers and websites they are reported in have abysmal journalistic standards. After all, it's not like the New York Times is broadcasting her every move. Personally, I would think this would argue for a much smaller article as it indicates a much less notable celebrity, but that's just my $0.02. Cheers, Kasreyn 06:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I think we need a criticism section on this article because many,many people think she is not a good artist.^{[citation needed]} Alfredosolis

I can agree with that in principle - its just that it could degenerate into a slanging session and numerous resultant reverts! How do you suggest we could address? Rgds - Trident13 15:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

So I wonder which person watching this page is employed by Miss Hilton and/or her publicist? It would explain the squeaky clean nature of this article. --66.222.240.194 01:17, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Suspicious! But honestly, what the hell happened to that racism thing, was it branded unnotable? 58.105.106.47 01:45, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, This horrible role model definitely needs a criticism section. I think 40 million mothers would agree there. Beyond the day to day moms, Rap Artist PINK blatently jabs Paris in the song "Stupid Girls", South Park in "Stupid Whore Video Playset", Nicole Richie has bashed her friend on multiple occasions. Even Paris father has critisied his daughters behavior in the press (an occasion where she lost a .5 million dollar on loan piece of jewelry). Her N Sync boyfriend didn't have very nice things to say about her at one point either. There have been several fueds with other celebrities. Oh, and in private she has been rumored to use the "n-word". I hope thats a good start. And as for you internet geeks trying to keep this as a temple to the Paris, The False Idol that you worship has multiple STD's.

BILLIOUS?!?!?!?! "What's there to criticize? Billious" Are blind man!?!?!?! Have you ever googled PAris Hilton? She's a walking condemnation of wealth, western society, and celebrity. I can not think of one media outlet who doesn't condem, exploit, or mock her very existence. How much is she paying you to try and make her look good? Whatever it is it isnt enough....you must work realllllly hard to even make her apear human.

This article has improved so much

I used to complain about this article. It was rubbish. But now it is so much better. Keep up the good work! Wallie 00:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

This article stinks. What is good about it? It talks about her singing "career" like she has one, or like she has any talnet. She's a joke who is a "celebutaint" because she is thin, blonde, and realllllly rich.

Dabbled? Participated?

This lady has set the standard. She is brilliant, enlightened, unique, remarkable, even serene. Dabbled sounds something like mum doing art classes, whereas she can give masterclasses. This great women sings like Marilyn Monroe, acts like Ingrid Bergmann, models like Naomi Campbell, and writes like Mozart. Do you doubt it? Wallie 19:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Wallie, are you actually being serious or are you just joking around? I hesitate to put words in others' mouths and I try to always assume good faith, but I'm not sure we're even talking about the same person here... Marilyn Monroe? Mozart?

Perhaps a synonym for "dabble" can be found which retains the essential meaning of "To undertake something superficially or without serious intent", but with a less negative connotation - is that what you mean? Because of course, it would be inappropriate to misrepresent Hilton as being more devoted to any particular field than she actually has been. There's no shame in a young person not yet having decided what to do with her life. No one expects Ms. Hilton to have decided yet, so I don't see how it's inappropriate to note her experimenting with various activities. Kasreyn 21:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Right. I will have to choose my words very carefully here... I merely made a comment about the wording to describe Paris Hilton. I did not invite a personal attack from you about being "taken seriously" and "not acting in good faith". OK. Since you have bought the discussion down to this level, let's continue it. I know when to be serious, and when to joke around. Do you? You tried to initiate a discussion on the Holocaust discussion page of all places, involving some teenage pop stars, and their extreme anti-Jewish ideas. I won't go into details, out of respect to fans of dear Paris Hilton, who read this page. I think it is OK to have a light hearted discussion on this page, due to the nature of the person we are discussing. and how she would have liked us to behave. However, the Holocaust discussion page should be treated more seriously, do you not think. A final piece of advice. Do not initiate attacks on other people, who do not warrant them, even if you think they are easy going. Everyone has a limit to their patience. Wallie 12:11, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I was attempting to find a polite way of saying that I couldn't disagree more with your assessment of Hilton's talents. And forgive me, but my interpretation of you had been that of a fairly easygoing type, willing to make a joke here and there, and so I thought you might be joking. Apparently I misjudged. Also, there is no need to drag extraneities into this discussion, and I feel it's inappropriate for you to do so. Please keep this discussion to Paris Hilton alone from now on. Kasreyn 22:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

OK. That's fine with me. And I agree with you. I am still easygoing, but like to give people a nip sometimes. You know.. like a puppy. Wallie 22:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Well... I dont think alot of people would agree with you, but in any event, wikipedia is a neutral veiw, and as thus, I dont think "masterpiece" would be the right word for her works...

Dabbled? Participated? or lent her name to?... There should be asection in this article that explains that Paris did not really do any of her nightclub business, record label, fashion design, etc. herself. It goes without saying that she's simply not capable of that sort of entrpreneurship. Rather, her status as a celebrity makes it possible for her to be so valuable as a mascot that she can achieve ownership of anything she wishes to be a mascot for. What's more, her album, which she didn't write, is absolutely chock full of auto-tuning and melodyne style digital fixes. The question is, how do we present this truth objectively? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.198.46.150 (talk • contribs) .

Rubbish! Wallie 22:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Heh. Wallie, it would seem your foil has arrived. I'm tempted to just sit back and watch you two fight it out, but, nah. Please note that neither of you have any sources on whether Paris was personally involved in any of her "achievements" aside from her music videos. Therefore we can't make a statement either for or against. Kasreyn 11:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

all of you must be working for Paris. Are you her publicity person? looking at the wiki entry and the lovefest that part of the talk page is either there are fanboys and fangirls in control here or someone is getting paid off.

images from the cartoon

The two pictures posted from the proposed cartoon series were originally posted at The Superficial, but it appears they've now taken them down because the drawings were not from the cartoon but some unrelated project. Just a heads up. -- (Lee)Bailey^(talk) 20:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

OK then we can take them off if they are not real. The cartoon series is supposed to be like The Simpsons so those images didn't make very much sense. Jtervin 13:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Time of release of the sex tape

I've noticed a contradiction on the time of the release of the sex tapes. In this article on the sixth paragraph of the "Background" section, it says that the sex tapes were released shortly after the Simple Life debuted. However, at the 1 Night in Paris article, it says in the first paragraph that the tapes were released shortly before the Simple Life debut. If anyone can cite some sources here, it would be nice. Thanks.--Methegreat 20:10, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

-Perhaps links should be provided to the videos for people to further research? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.77.32.175 (talk • contribs).

Haha, really funny. How old are you, 12? I'm sure anyone with google could find a link to the video if they wanted. --Die Hard 2k5 17:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

If I had the authority, I'd delete those two comments. They were completely useless to the improvement of the article. That kind of thing is what this talk page is full of. This is a Biography on Wikipedia, and if you're not willing to take it seriously, please refrain from editing it or its talk page.--Methegreat 00:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, you don't have the authority to tell us not to edit this page or not, if you can see, I've done quite a bit of constructive editing to the page. This guy was obviously a troll, and I was just responding to him. --Die Hard 2k5 18:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

General Information

The beginning of this article refers to her as "multi-talented". I take issue with the "talented" part, as simply participating in a large number of public activities does not necessarily imply any talent whatsoever. -AK

I take issue with the "multi" part as well. I believe that pretty much covers all of it. MarkThomas 21:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more! Away with it! Pathlessdesert 12:56, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

What do I have to do to convince you guys that this is a good one? After all she has been called "blonde icon of the decade". C'mon guys. I am looking for the right word. Highly accomplished, multi-talented and remarkable have already been rejected. Is virtuoso OK? Wallie 17:51, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Wallie, whatever word you want to use, find a reliable source for it first, then we will use it. Bihal 00:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

PS: I don't think "Blonde Icon of the Decade" is a positive title. Bihal 00:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Depends on which sense "blonde" is being used in, I suppose. It doesn't seem to be much of an accomplishment on one's part, to happen to have been born blonde. Kasreyn 02:19, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know she wasn't born blonde, her hair has been bleached. So her hair color is as phony as everything else about her. Allan Akbar

Major Changes

I've made alot of changes. I placed things on appropriate sections. I've also added information about Paris as a fashion model. Lil Flip246 01:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Paris YouTube

someone should add Paris YouTube article. she made an official YouTube account on 21st of August, and she acknowledge the YouTube community with her videos. her account apparently the most watched in YouTube. HoneyBee 00:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

You can add that if you want. Lil Flip246 22:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

No you can't - what article is this? HawkerTyphoon 23:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

there's no source for this though, but she's been using YouTube to promote her album: http://youtube.com/profile?user=ParisHilton (her official acount) HoneyBee 06:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Sex tape

I'm don't think a leaked sex tape would really fit in the category of her "filmography." Although it actually is kind of funny as a joke...--Foot Dragoon 22:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

It's an official release. She gets some of the money from the sales. Thus, it qualifies. --Die Hard 2k5 23:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Personally I think the sex tape is rather neglected in the entire article. While the lead correctly names the tape as maybe the primal reason for her fame, it is very much hidden in the remaining text and only pops up under "actress / film" which seems somewhat euphemistic; you could almost get the impression this has some artistic value. Several semi-notable projects of hers have their own section in the article, therefore I'd say the sex tape definitely deserves a separate mention, especially since the movie has its own WP article. Some points of interest for a sex tape section would be (a) the video content itself, (b) the circumstances of its release, (c) the effect on her celebrity, (d) her response to its release. Sloan21 16:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

There is a clip from the sex tape here, maybe it should be added. 1NightInParis 13:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

new pic?

i think a new pic should be used. i've got one from oh-paris.net http://i1.tinypic.com/260af5d.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jennn (talk • contribs) .

No, the pic we have at the moment is freely licensed. ed g2s • talk 11:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Tinkerbell Linux

Paris Hilton release a Linux distribution... http://www.bbspot.com/News/2006/08/paris-hilton-tinkerbell-linux.html

Hmmm... The link to this distribution is broken. I don't think it's reliable; as well as not existing. Highly un-reliable, due to the fact of this and this. Iolakana•T 11:41, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

BBSpot is a tech humour site... sorta like the linux version of The Onion .

Please do not use Paris hilton in the same stature as Pandit Ravi Shankar

This is with regards to the comment about Paris Hilton being of similar stature to Pandit Ravi Shankar. Pandit Ravi Shankar is a renowned musicaian with an in born talent and is a highly respected person in india. Please do not even equate him to someone liek Paris Hilton. She is famous and is an heiress , however the respect adn knowledge of Pandit Ravi shankar is held in high esteem. Please change that statement so as to at least respect soemone like Pandit ravi Shankar.

Thank you regards 203.166.28.81 05:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)Shweta 08/09/2006

Pandit Ravi Shankar is held in high esteem. However he is not unique. Others such as Heifitz or Segovia are also held in high esteem in Lithuania and Spain too. Paris Hilton is also recognized in her industry. so much so that she has been even noticed by the Indian Film Industry, the leading producer of films in the World. Always remember that Paris is also held in high esteem, has great stature and is highly respected in her own country, the United States of America. Wallie 06:36, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Hilton is not respected in the United States by anyone other than a few people in the industries that make money off her. Well no, that's not true - I respect her choice fo cars. She was arrested for DUI while driving a Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, which is a damn fine automobile. --Golbez 20:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Edit: Oh, and you, I guess. --Golbez 20:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I respect her, and I'm in the US. (female) M8gen

Thank you, M8gen. Obviously a thinking man. Wallie 20:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I find it hard to believe anyone would respect someone who acts like white trash (eg. wearing short skirts with no underwear) and actually uses the words "like" and "y'know" when she speaks. On that topic, I believe references should be made to the South Part episode and the incident I mentioned above. Just to give a full picture of the person. Bihal 04:21, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I won't speak to my levels of respect for Paris Hilton, since they're fairly non-existent, but I agree that there's really no basis of comparison between her and Ravi Shankar. The latter is an accomplished, classically-trained musician, whereas Ms. Hilton is a dilettante at best, and a rank amateur at worst.

White trash. Now lets keep this clean, gentlemen. White trash could be even considered a touch racist to some. But Paris would not get upset over such slurs. She is a bonnie lass. And classy too. Ravi Shankar would certainly admire Paris. As I mentioned earlier, he did know and admire Segovia and Heifetz too. But I guess you would call them white trash too. Wallie 20:33, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Why Paris Hilton is Famous?

She is listed for being an actress even though she appeared in one movie as a breif cameo and as a singer even though, well, she can't sing. Anyone can be famous nowadays

She can sing. She has soared to number 1 in the charts in numerous lands. She has a beautful lyrical voice which some experts say resembles that of Lily Pons. She is a very young woman, whose career has not yet peaked. Wallie 17:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

ROFL. "She has a beautful lyrical voice which some experts say resembles that of Lily Pons" Quote of the year. 65.30.46.163 00:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

QFT. Xd!!!

She is (a) very rich and (b) fairly cute. I think that explains it fully. The rest is just frippery. I believe this whole page could be about two sentences long and not significantly lose informational content. Lots of people envy her, perhaps understandably, but that's not the reason the page should be shorter, just the sheer lack of actual attainment to mark her out for this much coverage. Otherwise perhaps anyone who is just rich should have a long page on WP? MarkThomas 21:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

She's Famous For Being A Fool!

Personally, i feel the first paragraph should be edited, so that it doesn't make Paris seem more talented and important than she really is. I might do the honourable duty of editing it later.

Wallie

Wallie, if you consider to insert peacock fluff that you know will be reverted because 1) It's not neutral, 2) It's your opinion, and 3) It's not cited, I will be forced to take further dispute resolution action against you. You are nearing the level of disruption, where we spend more time removing your fluffery than we do actually working on the article. (Well not me, I'm just here to clean up vandalism. But I'm sure others do.) Please stop. --Golbez 22:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

You may consider my input to be POV. But so is a lot of other negative stuff written about her. I am sure that my thoughts in the long run will seem more sensible than yours. For example, the fact that she has had sex with her boyfriend will not seem very relevant in, say 2030, whereas her fame and talent will. I don't think I am being reverted because of what I say, more that so many people are so obviously jealous of Miss Hilton. As for taking dispute resolution action against me, that is exactly the sort of action I would expect from you. It is a pity that you admins have so much power and abuse it. Wallie 18:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

The existence of POV does not mean you get to add your own. It means removing the POV. Stop it. --Golbez 23:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

No. But you encourage POV which suits your arguments. And because you don't like what I am saying, you make threats against me. I put it to you. What added value are you to Wikipedia other than patrolling this article and trying to pick fights with me? Wallie 11:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

"What added value are you to Wikipedia other than patrolling this article ... ?"

This may prove illustrative. Cheers, Kasreyn 06:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

You flatter me, sir. :) The only reason I put this on my watchlist was because of vandalism, not out of any affinity, positive or negative, for the subject. --Golbez 08:32, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

But Wallie, we are not writing this encyclopedia from the viewpoint of 2030. We're not here to look into our crystal ball. WP is written from a contemporary viewpoint. Who knows? Maybe you're right, and Paris Hilton will soon find some direction for her life and do something really wonderful with all that money that's lying around going to waste. Maybe in 2030 she will have the sort of humanitarian reputation Angelina Jolie has. But in 2006, the public doesn't seem to share your high opinion of her yet. All we can do is reflect the situation as it is. Let the editors of 2030 worry about the Wikipedia of 2030. Cheers, Kasreyn 05:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Could someone find out just why her eye is so freaky? That one - left? - is always half closed. It's disgusting.

You must be very lucky to be so good looking that you can criticize the imperfections of others not up to your own fabulous appearance. Well, I have news for you. Not all of us look as perfect as you do. Paris's beauty comes from her overall appearance, not any one part of her. Her beauty radiates from her soul. Wallie 18:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Should mention be made about the various parodies made about here. Notably the episode in South Park- Stupid Spoiled Whore

Wallie do you hope that by staunchly defending Miss Hilton that one day she will by chance read this talk page, and become so enamoured with your PR crusade that she will track you down and sleep with you? Just curious

Why do you think he's doing it? He's a lonely trekkie ffs. :D - Peter Bjørn Perlsø 03:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

How much does she pay you Wallie?

Or are you Paris herself? As if she could even turn on a computer.

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