Talk:Paramount leader
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[edit] Who else?
Other than Deng, who else does this title refer to? --Menchi 07:44 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- refers also to all successors like Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.226.158.8 (talk • contribs) 12:16, January 28, 2005 (UTC)
- I don't see how that can be. Hu Jintao certainly does not have paramount power in the same way that Deng did. The only paramount leaders I can see would be Mao, Deng, and possibly Jiang, although he was so incompetent the word "paramount" seems self-contradictory on him. --Sumple (Talk) 02:00, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Incomptence -if true, your claim- is irrelevant, the term describes the pinacle position- like Caligula, who was mad as a hat, was as 'paamount' as any other princeps. Fastifex 17:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- That was just the offside remark. My main point is that, Mao, at the very least, is a paramount leader. You can't get more paramount than him, surely? Hu, on the other hand, is a leader in an institutionalised oligarchy, and thus would not be a paramount leader. --Sumple (Talk) 23:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- 'More paramount' is besides the point, the notion is essentially 'top dog', whether one uses it to shine as 'father of the nation' (Mao), to change its faith (Deng) or rather fails to assure a notable place in history, what counts is the relative position while in office - 'for lack of better' will do. Fastifex 13:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- That was just the offside remark. My main point is that, Mao, at the very least, is a paramount leader. You can't get more paramount than him, surely? Hu, on the other hand, is a leader in an institutionalised oligarchy, and thus would not be a paramount leader. --Sumple (Talk) 23:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- Incomptence -if true, your claim- is irrelevant, the term describes the pinacle position- like Caligula, who was mad as a hat, was as 'paamount' as any other princeps. Fastifex 17:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- I don't see how that can be. Hu Jintao certainly does not have paramount power in the same way that Deng did. The only paramount leaders I can see would be Mao, Deng, and possibly Jiang, although he was so incompetent the word "paramount" seems self-contradictory on him. --Sumple (Talk) 02:00, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- An interesting thought, and technically I suppose he wmight qualify- but another characteristic is that the position is given this generic name because it is not formally defined and styled (the hinese cases don NOT share the same titulature) as such by law, unlike the constitutional position of a US President Fastifex 06:32, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
