Talk:Paramedics in Canada
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I am unsure how accurate this page is for the rest of Canada, however it does not at all reflect the situation in Alberta where we have EMR, EMT-A, EMT-P ("paramedic") levels with training ranging from 2 weeks (EMR) to 2 years (EMT-P "paramedic") I believe out EMT-P would be equivlant to the "ACP" described in this page, however we don't have anything higher (except Doctor) critical care and air transfers often have a doctor on board for that reason.
As of January 1, 2005, BC has three levels: EMR (3 weeks), PCP (3 months) and ACP (12 months). There is also a CCP level, but no one in the province has that level of license. --Andrewjuren 22:15, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] The Smiley that was removed.
Why remove it? It was so cute! lol Shanekorte 01:33, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
while I'm sure cute has merrits... I don't think an encyclopedia entry is the place for it... that and the fact that the smiley just didn't seem to make any sense there... at least put it after some irronic comment or something.... ;) Green1 00:10, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Quebec
The lack of paramedics in Quebec isn't mentioned in the article but is a major contrast between Quebec and the rest of North America. I believe it deserves mention.
Gregory Csikos (gregory DOT csikos AT mail DOT mcgill DOT ca) on 10 November 2006
[edit] PCP 12 Leads?
Regarding the sentance "For example, in the province of Ontario many paramedic services allow Primary Care Paramedics to perform manual defibrillation, 12-lead ECG interpretation ...". Where do PCPs use 12 lead ECGs in Ontario? I'm not saying it's NOT happening, but I'd be surprised if it was. Does anyone have a citation for this? marc at colbeck dot ca
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- Paramedics in Peel Region have been doing 12 Leads since 2001 and is part of our scope of practice.
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EMR EMT-A and EMT-P use LP 12's in my service in Edmonton. But only EMT-P use manual defib from my understanding (will be training next month on it) --68.151.64.34 05:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] This page is too specific
This article has been ammended so much that it might as well be Paramedicine in Ontario. As well, Toronto EMS, and BC Ambulance have their own pages, why have them here as well??? There is already a link to them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.96.248.60 (talk) 00:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] What about EMR"s???
Considering that I am a Licensed EMR in Manitoba I think that the role EMR's play has been ignored. indeed in Manitoba EMR's form the backbone of EMS. and while Manitoba Paramedics are in favor of increasing standards and education levels, EMR's still account for nearly 25% of Ambulance attendants in rural Manitoba
whi;e i would not call an EMR a Paramedic, we are still publicly called so by our Employers and government. also our uniforms and ambulances say Paramedic on the side
Another phenomenon in Manitoba is that EMR's are now called "Technician"(s) PCP's are called "technician-Paramedic" and ACP's are called "Technician-Advanced Paramedic"
Manitoba health does not recognize the CCP level and any staff who were CCP's EMT-III's or EMT-P's are now demoted to ACP/ Technician Paramedic.
until April of 2006 A/O's or BFA's were still allowed to be hired and until 2009 BFA/A/O's will still be allowed to crew and ambulance. A/O's and BFA's are Basic First Aid attendants/ Ambulance operators. basically Ambulance Drivers only with usually less medical training than your boss in the office.
TheRenaissanceMan 09:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
- Here Here to us unsung EMRs ;)... Aside Alberta uses EMR/EMT/EMT-P for there levels, and don't use PCP ACP etc... here ACP is the Alberta College of Paramedics... Which EMRS are members of... so that kinda says EMRs are paramedics.... sorta... I suppose. --phalcon 05:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC) (UTC)
[edit] Other Notable inconsistencies within Manitoba
“A Primary Care Paramedic is an entry-level paramedic with one year of training” this statement is simply incorrect. It is the preferred minimum. But sadly it is not. Furthermore, the “entry level” is that of the EMR (Emergency Medical Responder). The EMR classroom hours range from 98 to 150. This may not be the case country wide. But EMR’s are employed on ambulances in Alberta and Manitoba and considered to be the entry level. Or as we are now called in Manitoba “Technicians” http://www.gov.mb.ca/health/ems/licensing.html
In Manitoba the course length for a PCP (primary care paramedic) is a minimum of 300 hours. This Minimum is what the Manitoba Emergency services collage (MESC) uses. http://www.firecomm.gov.mb.ca/mesc_courses.html a significant portion of new hires in Winnipeg, the Capital of Manitoba graduate from the MESC Fire paramedic program, which is 300 hours long.
While it is stated that Quebec has only 2 educational institutes for PCP level, Manitoba only has 3 the other courses are offered by WFPS in partnership with MESC so there are only 3 publicly available programs
“Paramedics are seen as health professionals, equal to nurses, respiratory therapists, cardiac perfusionists and others”
This statement cannot be applied in Manitoba. Paramedics are not officially considered to be health professionals, as they are not self regulated. Hence the Paramedic association of Manitoba’s mission to get Paramedics recognized as a health profession. http://paramedicsofmanitoba.ca/about/role.asp
forgive me for my emphasis on Manitoba, but I don’t have much experience in other provinces and therefore am reluctant to comment on them.
It seems to me that Quebec is not alone in its anomalous relationship to the rest of the country in EMS.
TheRenaissanceMan 14:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
