Talk:Panic! at the Disco/Archives 01

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have new messages (last change).
Archive This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

Started 09/04/2006 Hackajar 06:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

May 2006 - August 2006

Contents

Platinum Status

Just as FYI Billboard[1] Reports this album as Platinum. Hackajar 11:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I should add, soundscan does NOT have more then 1mil on their tab even though RIAA issued this landmark! so until (ok 'if') they hit 1mil on soundscan this will look weird on main page. Blink 182 discog does not even have approx sales, could just remove that number in liue of plat status, thoughts? Hackajar 11:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Question

Not sure where to put this, put does anyone know the name of the green-eyed guy featured in the video "I Write Sins, Not Tragedies?" I'm pretty sure he is not a member of the band. If any wants to, they can email me at laserstorm@email.com and erase this if they know the answer. - Fan.

My guess is he's just some actor. He's definitely not in the band Jubella 19:09, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I just found out through some searching that his name is Daniel Isaac, and he has a myspace at: http://www.myspace.com/Daniel_Isaac - Fan

yea his names daniel issac! i knew that and didnt need a website!

New music video

I really suck at making Wikipedia articles or adding on to them, besides from making small corrections. Can someone add information on their new music video?

"Lying is.." If so, I made that change. All I know is that recorded it because they said it at a concert I went to in June. It probably won't be out for a while though. --Freddy Jade 10:18, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

More content

I added some more content. I plan to add more later, but I felt this page was lacking quite a lot of things. --Dess 02:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC) I added a trivia sectoin--Dess 01:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

"The Only Difference" single

I was wondering if it's appropriate to list "The Only Difference between Martyrdom and Suicide Is Press Coverage" as one of the singles. I mean, it made all these download and single charts, but there is neither a music video for the song nor a CD/vinyl release. I'm not exactly sure as to what qualifies as a single, I just feel that listing it like this might give false notions. --HarryCane 18:17, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

meh: most of the sOngs mentioned have not been released on tv, radio etc. But they are tracks on the released album, which makes it a single—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.28.69.34 (talk • contribs) .

So you're saying album track=single? Sorry, lad, but that's just wrong... --HarryCane 13:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

"The Only Difference" was the first single released from the album. It was released for radio promotion only. There is no music video. However, since it was issued on radio first, this qualifies it as the first single from the album. Also, I must agree that album tracks do not make singles. Only radio, television, or separate release from an album qualifies a song as a single.

Jon as a member.

I was wondering if Jon Walker should be labled as a member considering they have not named him on sites such as Purevolume etc. naming only Brendon, Ryan and Spencer. It was also stated on the website that "Right now our friend jon is going to be filling in" I just wanted to know what everyone thought before I changed it.

I agree. --HarryCane 09:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
It has been suggested that Jon will be payed as a crew member, much the same as the additional musicians who will accompany them on the upcoming tour. I suggest a seperate section (possible entitled 'crew members') should be added.

I have just added Jon as a member, as his name has shown up on Myspace. Apparently Ryan, Brendon and Jon do vocals now too. Oh and I was also wondering if we should add their new myspace image instead of the old one???

Good idea, I'm on it. --HarryCane 18:12, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Split-up

Does anyone believe the recent departure of Brent may lead to the split of the band? even it it doesnt lead to that it could possibly hit the band hard! --Matt9m5 19:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

But it's better if you do video notes

When I saw this video I thought it was a big rip on Eyes Wide Shut, with all the masks, and the whole being yelled at by that woman in the cell (I thought she was either supposed to be Nicole Kidman, or that woman who recognises him at the underground club), what do you think? Should "Also, the club featured in this video does bare some resemblance to the party that tom cruise attends in Eyes Wide Shut". What do you think? Help plz 04:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe not a "rip" but a reference.

  • If it was a reference, it was a very subtle one, Eyes Wide Shut had cloaks and a ritual, with open sexualaity, not being wisked into a room. It was also set in modern times of Rich elite, not guy who pays for "this dumpy apartment" (my 2c) Hackajar 15:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Chart positions

Would it bother anybody if I moved all the chart positions from the discography to the respective album/singles articles? I find the section extremely cluttered, and I think the chart positions are better suited in the seperate articles anyway. Also, all of these chart positions need citation, which will be tricky as I wouldn't know how to find e.g. old iTunes charts. --HarryCane 13:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

It should be noted that these suggestions were being made only AFTER I voted Keep for The_Only_Difference_Between_Martyrdom_And_Suicide_Is_Press_Coverage and also added said charts to main page. Which conforms to many band pages, see Weezer, Angels_and_airwaves, Fall_out_boy, Brittney_Spears, Dr_Dre or 30_seconds_to_mars just to name a few. Consider talking to me on my talk page User_talk:Hackajar and not reverting P!atD pages due to lack of sharing my opinion! Hackajar 12:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Straight up lie. I made this suggestion a whole day before both your vote and your undiscussed changes to the article. I couldn't care less about your vote. --HarryCane 12:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Where was "Point-of-View" spam?Hackajar 14:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Parts referred to were accientally merged with chart updates, not my own Hackajar 16:48, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Please allow a "cooling off" period to Chart Positioning, and reach out to other users in this matter. You are running very close to the 3RR rule! Hackajar 16:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

see Wikipedia:Three-revert_rule

Clean up

Since the biography starts with an ambiguous "he", as someone who knows nothing about the band I have no idea what this is talking about. The biography should be about the fan, not tidbits about the lead singer, that should be left to his own page. Someone who knows something, please rewrite this section. jordan 13:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree, and since tidbits of Brendon Urie are on this page and on his own page my question is WHY CAN'T RYAN ROSS HAVE HIS OWN PAGE?? This is disturbing me and I want Ryan [every member as a matter of fact] to have their own page. This way we can learn more about the indivdual not just tidbits about them in the bands Biography. LoserKidEmx3 03:14, 08 August 2006 (UTC)

Ryan Ross had an article, which was deleted because it either violated a Wikipedia policy or was voted for deletion. It was then re-created several times, until it was blocked from re-creation. As it appears, it is not anymore. This is a free encyclopedia, so if you want an article this badly, go ahead and create it. If it's informative, good (as far as formatting, referencing and stating its notability goes), and not violating any Wikipedia rules, it won't be deleted again. Although, I find the notability of all members' own pages very questionable and I doubt you will be able to find enough verifiable information on each one. --HarryCane 14:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Order in Biography

I would like to point out that the article is a little out of order. For some reason, it lists Brent "leaving the band" AFTER the "Lying is the Most Fun..." video, however, the "Lying..." video was not filmed until after he was fired. Same with the mention of the Snakes on a Plane soundtrack, that should be the very last thing listed because it is the most recent. Although, it may not be important enough to list in their biography at all. --MJB12 17:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. A bio should be in cronological order Hackajar 10:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Page move

I would like to address the recent page move (which by the way borders on page move vandalism) by User:Evanreyes. Wikipedia's policies clearly state that the preposition "at" not be capitalised in band names and album titles. Also, the band's latest release ("Lying Is the Most Fun a Girl Can Have without Taking Her Clothes Off") uses the exact same capitalisation rules. Same goes for the song titles said user likes to change. A lot of cleanup and moving back needs to be done. --HarryCane 12:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

It should be noted that User:Evanreyes was found editing my personal talk page renaming the 'a' letters in title, which (IMHO ALERT) seems like a genocide style attempt to make one's point (that is to make new argument 'well no one else seems to be pointing to that article! so it should be changed!).Hackajar 14:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I am open to discussing the matter, however, the song titles should not have "Without" and "Between" lowercase. The naming conventions policy that User:HarryCane is so enamored with clearly states that "Words of five letters or longer are generally capitalized, regardless of their part of speech." It's stilly to make those two words lowercase. Also, I am of the opinion that if the band chose to name themselves Panic! At the Disco, we shouldn't ignore that. I realize that English usage rules and Wikipedia conventions say we should make it lowercase, however band names are created by the band themselves, and therefore can be fudged a little. Also, the argument that "many websites have every word capitalized" is not valid, since many websites capitalize every word in every band, song, and album title irrationally. HarryCane is not the authority on Wikipedia or this band, and should not be treated as such. Evan Reyes 19:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Also, I apologize for editing users' talk pages. I did not realize this was explicitly against Wikipedia's policies at the time. It won't happen again. Evan Reyes 19:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Nobody said I was, or (sadly) treated me like, the authority on Wikipedia or this band. I'm just applying WP conventions. The five letter thing was recently added (on August 6), which is why I wasn't familiar with that certain rule. My apologies for the song title part. As for the band name, the capitalized "At" is way too inconsequent for it to be an avowed unique spelling (see e.g. hellogoodbye). The only source you're citing is the band's MySpace profile, which, frankly, is likely to be run by some label employee who has little to do with the band itself. --HarryCane 20:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm with Harrycane here. The article should be at Panic! at the Disco per WP:NC and moving it (twice!) without prior discussion was wrong. --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 20:06, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth (which likely isn't much, since it's pretty irrelevant), I'd like the record to show that I hate this band. I think they're one of the least creative, pathetic excuses for music in the industry today. I simply did what I felt was right, and I'm certainly not going to feel any regret because of the actions of one HarryCane. Evan Reyes 20:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
FWIW HC 'says' he is fan of band, yet has some anti-P!atD behavior all the same. No one cares if you like band or not, but they do care if you make drastic changes like that without bringing it up here first!(is the horse dead yet?)Hackajar 08:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I'm not here to make you feel regret, Evan. And I wouldn't call my behavior "anti-P!atD", but that's a different issue alltogether... :) My question however is, if you hate this band so much, why do you take this much time editing P!atD-related articles, rather than articles of bands you do like? --HarryCane 09:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Clean-up and wikify

The following list of bands were used to compare cleaness of article: Angels and Airwaves,The Killers (band),Fall out boy,Cute is what we aim for,Bush_(band),Nofx,Green day. Based on this sampling, article apears to be cleaned-up from July request to do so. Removing cleanup tag. Please flame me here if you thing there is still some more work to do. Hackajar 18:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikify

I have added wikify notice to history section. It has become bloated and out of order. I would like to do a good re-write, and am seeking people that would like to help. This work would start on Wednesday. If you would like to help out, please note so here Hackajar 13:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

TODO List:

  • Create Sub-sections to history
  • Add more references, and change current ones to WP:CITE format
  • Run though spell checker
  • Fact check existing content
  • Research and cite gaps in history
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org../../../p/a/n/Talk%7EPanic%21_at_the_Disco_Archives_01_e22d.html"