Talk:Paneurhythmy
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Zdraveite,
Tova e angliiskata versiq na bulgarskiq tekst otnosno Uchitelq Beinsa Duno. Ako obichate pridyrgaite se w redakciqta i dopylneniqta kum neq i se otnasqite s uvagenie i dobronamerenost. Nie pritegavame tochniq prevod na bg versiqta na tekst na angliiski ezik i v nai-skoro vreme toi shte bude publikuvan. Tova oznachava che angliiskiq tekst shte bude osnovno obogaten v nai-skoro vreme. Vsichki nedobronamereni ili nekorketni redakcii shte budat prechistvani i likvidirani. Tezi stranici striktno se nabludava ot bratskiq suvet na Obshtestvo Bqlo Bratstvo, Bulgaria i nqma da se dopusnat zlonamereni ili neobsugdani v bratski kolektiv na suveta dejstviq, koito celqt da distruktirat bratskata rabota po nauchnoto i istoricheski-avtentichnoto predstavqne na Slovoto na Uchitelq Beinsa Duno. Blagodarq za razbiraneto i uvagenieto!
Bez strah v Lubovta bezgranichna!
Obshtestvo Bqlo Bratstvo, Bulgaria
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- Redakciq na bazova informaciq otnosno linkovete
Promenite, koito sa napraveni ot Dave0 sa iztriti, zashtoto predstvlqvat spam ataka sreshtu oficialnata versiq na teksta, koqto e podurgana ot Obshtestvo Bqlo Bratstvo, Bulgaria.
VAGNO: Vsqka promqna v teksta predstavqsht Uchitelia Beinsa Duno trqbva da byde predvaritelno obsugdana kakto tuk na tazi stranica za diskusii, taka i s bratskia suvet na Obshtestvo Bqlo Bratstvo, Bulgaria. Ako se pravqt promeni bez tova obsugdane te shte budat smqtani za SPAMATAKA i shte budat likvidirani. Otnovo napomnqme da se otnsqte kum tezi tekstove s nugnoto uvagenie i internet kultura. Wikipedia ima striktni pravila za rabota i redakcia, ako obichate spazvaite gi.
Bez strah v Lubovta bezgranichna!
Obshtestvo Bqlo Bratstvo, Bulgaria
---krai na belegkata: 26.01.2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.44.101.70 (talk • contribs) 16:24, 26 January 2006.
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[edit] Reply to the note 26 January 2006
Hello, a few points in response to the note from 26 January.2006:
(1) This is an English version of the Wikipedia, please write in English. One advantage of this is that the trace could be easily reviewed when it comes to a dispute resolution. To understand the issues of ethics in Wikipedia, please visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines
(2) The claim below that this site has been maintained by the entity called below "Obshtestvo Byalo Bratstvo" and is a mirror site for the Bulgarian article is simply not true. This can be easily checked by tracing the version history of the article and also reading the Bulgarian Wikipedia site as of this moment.
(3) In Wikipedia nobody has the exclusive right to authorize or approve what goes into an article. The mechanism of (self) regulation is very simple - a peer review. If you have an issue - please raise it. Claiming that you are The Keeper of the truth is not a good enough argument. Wikipedia is not an extension of your web page.
(4) The only change done by Dave0 is adding a *relevant* link - valid, and 100% relevant. This can be easily verified by checking the version history of the article and the link. If you would like to add your own link, please do so - as long as it is relevant. Your link might also be a called "SPAM ATTACK" against the link posted by Dave0, with the same success. What you did is deleting a relevant link and putting your own instead for the purpose of self-promotion. Not only this, but you also added two links pointing to the same web page in the article for Paneurhythmy, which were the same but disguised. Speaking about "Otnovo napomnqme da se otnsqte kum tezi tekstove s nugnoto uvagenie i internet kultura" [transl: Again we remind you to deal with these texts with the appropriate respect and internet culture] is like the thief crying "Catch the thief!".
(5) For the benefit of all interested, I am translating below from Bulgarian the posted note. For the next translation I will have to charge you. For obvious reasons I did not translate the formula at the end of your note (about love!) - in the current context I find it quite hypocritical to use it.
(6) The only thing left is to appeal to you to follow the guidelines you yourself ask the others to follow (whether you will do the same with the Teaching you claim to follow, is your private matter). In the meanwhile, please don't try to alter your initial note from 26 January 2006, as it is captured in the version history.
(7) Your claim to have exclusive right to maintain and edit this page contradicts the policy of Wikipedia. It also breaks the copyright policies for Wikipedia articles.
Please take into consideration that by this note I am taking the first step required by the process of dispute resolution "talk to the other parties involved". I quite well understand, that in cases like this, your claim on exclusive right on this article will not cease, that is why I am taking the next step at the same time - I will be requesting an advocate. Stay tuned on this.
- quartz
[edit] Translation of the original note from 26 January 2006
Hello,
This is the English version of the Bulgarian text regarding the Master Beinsa Douno. Be so kind when you edit and add to this article to follow the original Bulgarian text and pay the due respect and goodwill. We have the exact translation of this article in English and it will be published soon. It means that the English text will be enriched very soon. All edits not done in goodwill or which are incorrect will be cleaned and liquidated. This page is under the strict supervision of the Brotherly Council of the Society White Brotherhood, Bulgaria and it will not allow ill meant actions and actions which are not discussed in the Brotherly Council, which aim to destroy the brotherly work on the scientific and historically-authentic representation of the Word of the Master. Thank you for the understanding and the respect.
Without fear in the Endless Love!
Society White Brotherhood, Bulgaria
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- Edition of base information about the links
The changes done by Dave0 are deleted, because they are a spam attack against the official version of the text, which is maintained by the Society White Brotherhood, Bulgaria.
IMPORTANT: Any change in the text presenting the Master Beinsa Douno has to be discussed beforehand here on this page, as well as in the Brotherly Council of the Society White Brotherhood, Bulgaria. If changes are done without this discussion, they will be considered SPAM ATTACK and will be liquidated. We remind everybody again to deal with this texts with the due respect and Internet culture. Wikipedia has strict rules for work and edits, be so kind to follow them.
Without fear in the Endless Love!
Society White Brotherhood, Bulgaria
---end of the note: 26 Jan 2006
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Quartz (talk • contribs) 09:12, 27 January 2006.
[edit] Outside views on this dispute
I don't read Bulgarian so I'm relying on the English translation by User talk:Quartz. Be BOLD doesn't merely allow editors to edit any article as they see fit and in accordance with the policies and guidelines of Wikipedia, but encourages them to do so. Regarding external links, please follow the guidelines on external links. I have looked briefly at the external links that are in dispute. The reason(s) for the dispute escape me; what are the perceived problems with the links in question? Finally, Sign your posts on talk pages. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 14:35, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Motivation for the removing of the link, that has false and doubtful information.
Dear Quartz,
Thank you for help - translating of the first text is manifestation of good will. But your comment about transforming of the links is not correct. Do you know any information for the History and Tradition of the Brotherhood life created from Master Beinsa Douno? We (people, that work in commission for public relations and clear internet information in Brotherhood) wish only to show historically-authentic and clear from any misunderstanding point of view for Live and Word of Master Beinsa Douno. This clear point of view should be clear and to Wikipedia guidelines too. We understand this very well. And that's why when anybody edits some text in Wikipedia in any topic, first of all, he/she should debated this editing in discussion page. Editing of Dave0 is not discussed normally on this discussion page, and above all, his site has incorrect and false expressions. This site simply destroyed and demolished the Word of Master Beinsa Douno with suspicion in this, that the Word is not published correctly. This is not true, because the half of it is published with coordination and direct work of Master Beinsa Douno with his nearest disciples. That's why we understand, that Dave0 does not know and understand the history of Brotherhood organization and the work of Master Beinsa Douno. We hope and pray for Dave0. Let's Divine Light of Christ clear his mind. There isn't any suspicion in the Word of Master in the Way of Disciple.
And because we wish to show clear point of view we start discussion for publishing of these links:
These links are not edited from the commission for information in Brotherhood. We ask Dave0 and Quartz, why the false information and suspicion in the Word of Master Beinsa Douno, is not refer there?
We explain why - simply because this information is not true, and people like Dave0, under the mask of good wishes, demolish the purity of the Word of Master. The brotherhood official site will publish in Internet all of original lectures and talks of Master Beinsa Douno very soon. These publishing will be created on the base of scanned from original books information, because we wish maximal authenticity and clearness. Above all, now we (around 40 people from many countries) work for translating of 4000 talks and lectures of the Master in English, Russian, Spanish, German and French. Why these, brothers and sisters in Christ, do not doubt in the Word of Master?
Thank you for the understanding and patience.
Without fear in the Endless Love!
Commission for the information and public relations in Society White Brotherhood, Bulgaria
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[edit] Noncompliant tag justification
These are the items that I think would improve the article:
- How many people in the world practice Paneurhythmy?
- How is Paneurhythmy similar to and different from Eurythmy, another dance of the Christian Esoteric Movement?
- The article asserts that Paneurhythmy has a scientific basis. Either articles from scientific journals need to be cited or this assertion must be removed.
- Quotations (not quotes) are listed. What is their source and on what page may they be found?
- Byalo bratstvo is a publisher founded by the Spiritual Society White Brotherhood in 1994. [1] Its publications "are directed basically to the creative works of The Spiritual Master Beinsa Douno". As such, I don't think they can be argued to satisfy the requirements of WP:NPOV, although they may be used to support assertions about the point of view of the "Spiritual Society White Brotherhood". However, if other significant groups have views different from those of the "Spiritual Society White Brotherhood", they must be described in a fair and impartial manner.--Walter Siegmund (talk) 22:57, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know much about this subject, however an example of an ongoing dispute at Joseph Smith Jr. has some good ideas that could be used to help improve the articles relating to the Great White Brotherhood.The Scurvy Eye a note? 01:11, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Hi Grant; Thanks very much for bringing that discussion to our attention here. Indeed, it does provide insight into how discourse on this article may be conducted. Thank you for commenting. Walter Siegmund (talk) 04:09, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
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- If I get a bit more time I'll try to help more. These articles despratly need fixing. -The Scurvy Eye a note? 18:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
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