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[edit] Needs to include Goals

The article didn't include anything on Villa's goals and main actions during the Revolution.--Amejr999 00:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Purpose

Why did he revolt against Venustiano Carranza? a thing 23:57, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


  • I hope the revisions I made will answer those questions adequately. Tubezone 06:01, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
  • There is no mention in this article about Villa being a subordinate to Pascual Orozco, and Orozco's early victorious battles against the Diaz government, in which Villa served. DonDeigo 20:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC) 19 Dec 2006

[edit] Dying Words

I always see these punctuated slightly differently, but I'm rather certain that they weren't delivered in a deadpan. Isn't an exclamation point due? --65.0.255.37 18:00, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Deadpan? I take it the pun was intended? ;-) I would assume that having been badly perforated, Villa likely barely croaked out the words before he, uh, croaked. Tubezone 06:08, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unsupported Allegations Regarding Villa's Family Origins

I have deleted a paragraph which alluded, without mention of any supporting evidence, to a spurious "theory" that Villa's father was a Jewish businessman from Cleveland. Furthermore, the paragraph in question gave names of several purported descendants of this person without explaining their relevance (if any) to the subject at hand. The deleted paragraph follows:

-->"Another theory of his ancestry was that he was the illigitimate son of Consuelo Lopez Arumbula and Toby Dubinsky, a Jewish immigrant from Czarist Russia, who briefly visited Mexico on business and later relocated to Cleveland, Ohio, in the United States, where he married Ruth Braun and had sons Timothy, Israel (Serrol), Albert, and Sydney."<--

If the authors of the aforementioned paragraph believe that there is any truthfulness in their assertions, they should submit, for public perusal and approval, evidence, documentation and/or references that would substantiate their account.

-Speleo

Perhaps this isn't true, but you might want to check the following Pancho Villa site: http://www.ojinaga.com/villa/ and then check out a book they talk about regarding Villa's Jewish roots. Lots of research - BRAND NEW BOOK SHOWS THAT VILLA MAY HAVE BEEN JEWISH! CLICK HERE http://www.ojinaga.com/osorio/

- just check it out -- Nancy

"This was the only attack on the continental United States by a foreign government or foreigner in modern times." I removed this sentence. I think someone else attacked the US as well a few years ago. --Mixcoatl 22:51, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Took Out Some Vandalism

Somebody had added "Napoleon Dynamite" under Antonio Banderas under the list of actors who had portrayed Villa, and added something along the lines of "ima cool farmer from kansas" under the quotes. Fixed. ~Atog

[edit] Needs Work

There are some incomprehensible sentences near the beginning: "There one of the owners of the property attempted against its older sister, and Villa hurt it of three shots, fleeing to the mount to avoid his punishment. He ran away and there join into the Gang of Francisco Villa a former cattle rustler, at his dead Doroteo take his name and his fame." Attempted what? "its older sister" means what? "hurt it of three shots" means "hurt him with three shots," perhaps? "the mount" may mean "the mountains" but a mount can be a horse so maybe he fled on a horse. "At his dead" means "at his death?" Probably needs better translation from Spanish Pdn 21:22, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"This was the only military attack on or invasion of the continental United States by a foreign state or foreigner in the 20th century."

In World War Two, the Japanese launched jet-stream ballons which caused forest fires and a few casulties. Or the Japanese Sub shelling of a Long Beach, CA refinery. Would the invasion of the Aleutian Islands be consider 'continental' or not?

At a minimum, remove the words "only miltitary attack on"

So, according to a Biography (possibly by A&E, unsure) video on Pancho Villa, the truth about the whole attack-on-US-soil-incident is that it was the first invasion/attack by a foreign country on US soil since the War of 1812. Just thought I'd put that out there. How Impossible 23:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Does El centauro del norte really mean the fart of the northern sky?

[edit] Incorrect Actor

Note actor Skeet Ulrich (1956) points to modern day actor. Should add clarification.

[edit] Commented-Out material

This section was commented out and replaced by Nimlot. I have moved it here for reference.

He was born on 5 June 1877 in the Río Grande Ranch, in San Juan del Río, Durango. as a member of a very humble family. His father died while he was young, so he had to work the land to maintain to his mother and brothers, in the property of Cogojito. There one of the owners of the property attempt to assault his elder sister, and Villa shot him three times and subsequently fled to the mountains to avoid punishment. There he met and joined Francisco Villa's gang, a former cattle rustler. Upon Francisco Villa's death, Doroteo Arango took his name and his fame.

The Governor of Chihuahua, Abraham González, considered a valuable element for the revolution prepared by Madero, against the government of Porfirio Díaz. González urged Villa to fight by the Revolution by providing him with weapons and money; Villa obtained men and horses, and as ordered in the Plan of San Luis, on 20 November he led an uprising, thereby joining the revolutionary effort. He operated in the south of Chihuahua and the north of Durango, assaulting specially federal trains that transported troops north to fight the revolutionaries. Villa fought until Madero became the head of the new government, and returned to fighting in 1913 after the assassination of Madero by Victoriano Huerta. Villa then allied with Carranza against the usurpation of the presidency by Huerta, and in view of which already he had reached reputation by his boldness and value, the revolutionary heads of Chihuahua], Coahuila and Durango proclaimed head to it of the Division of the North, that got to be most powerful, between the revolutionary armies. In the Carrancistas campaigns Villa reached his better triumphs, taking Torreón, Ciudad Juárez and Ojinaga, and still he initiated the victorious advance towards the south of the country. Nevertheless, Carranza delayed to Villa by the proximity of other heads, specially the sonorenses, reason why Villa began to also separate of the Maximum Head of the Revolution. In 1914, Carranza mentioned a convention of the revolutionary forces, to file harshness among them, without obtaining its objective, because Villa seized of the convention, in Aguascalientes, and broke relations with Carranza, nominating a new president of the Republic, Villa took, with the General Emiliano Zapata, the city of Mexico, having Carranza that to flee towards the port of Veracruz. But then the sonorense Alvaro Obregón, constitutionalist commander of the forces of Carranza, calls, began to beat to those of Villa, convencionistas calls, until managing to annihilate them, in the famous battle of Celaya, where Obregón lost an arm. Villa looked for the recognition of the United States, for his government, and as he did not obtain it, he visited the border population of Columbus, where he take weapons. U.S. general Pershing entered Mexican territory, persecuting it, without never reaching it. Carranza was dead in 1917, apparently by its same

U.S. President Woodrow Wilson responded by sending 12,000 troops, under Gen. John J. Pershing, into Mexico on March 15 to pursue Villa. In the U.S., this was known as the Pancho Villa Expedition. During the search, the United States launched its first air combat mission when eight aeroplanes lifted off on March 19. The expedition to capture Villa was called off as a failure on January 28, 1917.

[edit] "Chinese extraction"

What in the world is that supposed to mean? 68.118.193.44 10:59, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Colombian origin?

An emailed question, being posted on behalf of someone who is having trouble posting. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 20:46, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

> > Was Pancho Villa from Colombia? > > * > > Regarding Pancho Villa, there is a lot of controversy around when > > and where he was born. There are some theories that suggest he was > > actually born in Colombia, South America. Some of these theories > > also suggest there is no interest to find the true about the real > > place where he was born, he is a national hero and it's better if > > mexicans continue to believe this legendary caracter was in fact > > mexican. I tried to find more information about it on the internet > > but my attempts have failed. I found an interview by El Tiempo > > (newspaper) in Colombia in Spanish, February 2005, where his > > granddaughters said this is a mystery. They were asked if it is > > true he is Colombian and there answer was "this is a mystery, we do > > not know for sure". > > > > Was he Colombian?*

[edit] Bad link to editorial

The external link to a Tuscon newspaper editorial about Pancho's statue in Tucson does not work. I have searched the newspaper's archives for 2003 and 2004 and turned up nothing. The link needs to be corrected or removed. Jm546 21:55, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Birthday?

Why is it that we give two different dates for his birthday? Lead gives a very exact date, but then the body insists on a different date. I think the source of the discrepancy should be explained. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza 19:53, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

actually no one knows for sure when Villa was born, so 2 dates are listed.

[edit] rancho villa

I've seen (somewhere) Villa was killed on his ranch @Parral. Confirm & include? Trekphiler 23:58, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Microsoft Encarta states he retired to his ranch in Chihuahua where he was killed in 1923. -ksands 23:10, 10 January 2006

  • If that's what Encarta states, Encarta is wrong. (See, that'll teach you to trust Bill Gates) All the reliable sources I know of say he was killed in the streets of Hidalgo del Parral, Chihuahua. His bullet-riddled car is in the Museo de la Revolucion in Chihuahua City. His ranch was the hacienda of El Canutillo, Durango. Tubezone 10:31, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
yes, he was killed by a party of assasins while he was leaving in his car to his Hacienda. Theres an Antonio Banderas movie that depicts the events rather accurately.


[edit] Pancho Villa and the German Connection

I wrote this article. It concerns my family, so I can delete it.

Or would you rather talk to my attorney.

S. Shoemaker

[edit] Buried Treasures

According to treasure and metal detecting magazines, such as Lost Treasure, he has literally buried/cached several gold and silver items worth @ least $20 Billion in several places in Mexico. Martial Law 20:19, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

These magazines may be found in metal detecting dealerships, online. Martial Law 20:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] vandalism

took out the words "oh yeah baby, give it to me" from the section outlining the revolt against diaz

[edit] Source info in first section?

Should the source info really be in the first section? I think it should be moved to the bottom. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.168.173.170 (talk) 06:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] pancho villa

♥pancho villa was a great man and he lead the way for us all mexicans♥ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.13.51.151 (talk) 01:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Potential fact error introduced - due to defective bullets Purchased from the United States

This statement was added by User:64.113.172.14 on March 21, 2007. The referenced URL, Villa's Raid on Columbus, New Mexico makes no mention of such a purchase. Instead, there is a paragraph about alleged arms purchases that were reneged. Recommend deletion. Ronbo76 11:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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