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Contents 1 Hey there! 2 Thanks 3 Antisemitism 4 [[1]] 5 New Year Aftermath 6 Isarig 7 CfD 8 Talk:Bethlehem 9 Your allegations 10 Golan Heights Druze 11 RfC Aminz 12 Thanks 13 Random Smiley 14 Categories 15 Template talk:IRAs 16 Verifying the references 17 Robert Spencer 18 We need your help 19 template of sryia. 20 WikiProject Syria 21 Deletion of map

[edit] Hey there!

Ahlan Palmiro! Long time no talk. I'm happy to see you're still here, "keeping up the good fight", as the Christians say. :-) First off, let me assure you, God is, regardless of whether God fits any of our conceptions of Godself, God is. Sadly, it is the lot of all who seek Truth to struggle constantly against a barrage of unmitigated stupidity and to discern Truth from among the web of falsehood that confronts us all, continually. It is, likewise, the lot of all who seek to promote whatever Truth they have found, to have to fight constantly to promote that Truth in the nearly overwhelming face of that barrage. The perseverance of continuing to promote the recognition and search for Truth is the kernel of "keeping up the good fight". It is an arduous and unending task, often seeming to be completely devoid of reward, and the valoriousness that goes into the struggle is almost never either recognized nor sufficiently appreciated, even by its beneficiaries.  :-\ All of that said, I'm not surprised that, if you found me anywhere, you would have found me at WP:JEW. :-p חג אורים שמח לכולם is indeed an appropriate greeting, although technically only during Chanuka [and in the few days preceding it, if you have reason to expect you won't see the person, to whom you're extending the greeting, during the course of Chanuka itself]...which ended about a day and a half before your message... The sentiment, however, is much appreciated. Personally, I think Christians and Muslims alike, despite our many disagreements on theological grounds, should all celebrate Chanuka...if not because of the triumph of the Jews over the Greeks, for the very least because of the triumph [hopefully peaceful!] of ethical monotheism over intolerant hedonistic paganism, as well as a celebration of the provision the Almighty makes for those who seek to elevate God through personal and communal qiruv. As for your study of Hebrew, there are myriad resources for learning Hebrew online, some of which you should be able to access here. That said, I wish I had more opportunities to learn Arabic, as I find myself stumped after the first two words of your greeting. :-( Regarding a review of my recent contributions, I can tell you they make a rather uninteresting study. I haven't had much time to be very active of late on WP, and when I have been, it's been limited to just a few articles per day, and not generally in very controversial areas. :-p Anyhoo, I hope this finds you well, and look forward to hearing from you when next you find me somewhere randomly wandering around the 'pedia. Cheers, Tomer^talk 04:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hi Palmiro,

Thanks for helping out with the antisemitism article. You edit in a more mature way which I am thankful for. --Aminz 00:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Antisemitism

Your edits and comments have been constructive. As for the MP word, it is the mode of action to which I object, not particular editors, which is why I didn't name any. Thank you for helping to solve this problem.Proabivouac 00:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] [[1]]

I am not sure why it didn't make sense... and since, I really think in most cases AD/CE are unnecessary... why not remove them? Does Charlenagne's solution not work for you for some reason? gren グレン 02:52, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow, I misread badly. But, now I noticed your message about the anti-Semitism page. Sorry about that mistake. Also, you make a good point. I think AH dates would be nice and you probably would need to AD or CE then. gren グレン 03:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Year Aftermath

Still recovering. Hope you had a great New Yearsings! El_C 04:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Isarig

Have a look at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Incivility, disruptive editing, and stalking-like behavior from Isarig. What do you think? Abu ali 20:42, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CfD

I've attempted to incorporate your comments in these (hopefully less confused) CfDs (Political parties in Palestine & Palestinian territories). I apologise for the unclear presentation in the previous one. Tewfik^Talk 07:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Bethlehem

Could you comment on the Demographic change section please? Tewfik^Talk 15:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Palmiro, I find the current additions to the section to be extremely selective and malicious (i.e. deliberately ignoring good-faith requests in the discussions). I am not sure it's proper for a WP editor to insert material that is clearly POV, and has been pointed out as such in the discussion, with the editor basically saying "here's the biased stuff, please NPOV it yourselves". Should it be added to or completely re-worked/re-written? Thanks Ramallite ^(talk) 19:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if that idea would work (i.e. survive a CfD) because settlements are apparently disputed anyway. This is ridiculous..... Ramallite ^(talk) 19:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

As an aside, it's nauseating to me how Muslims have to be constantly qualified as Sunni or Shi3a now, even when that is never a consideration among Muslims in the country in question. This is all thanks to the Iraq war and American "divide and conquer" categorization that ensued (I've been reading Bob Woodward's latest book). I just saw the template in the Arab citizens of Israel article... Ramallite ^(talk) 19:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your allegations

STOP making false and baseless allegations. Please read WP:OR, and actually read it. Please read the source at hand. What does it say about the citizens of the Middle East and North Africa? On their website they divide it into that region, and you can also see it on Freedom in the World#Middle East & North Africa. These Arab citizens have more political rights and civil liberties than actual Arab countries. That is not original research, it is their research. They are living in the only democracy in the Middle East. That is not original research, it is their research (countries highlighted green are considered full democracies). Your information has been added, I have no idea what your complaints are. --Shamir1 09:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Golan Heights Druze

Hi, Palermo. Well, to be honest, it's the first time I've heard that Druze are generally concidered Muslim (please excuse my ignorance...). The Druze article says that they "are a distinct religious community", and there's an uncited claim that "they are not considered Muslims by most Muslims in the region". Later on it says that "[i]n Lebanon, Syria, and Israel, the Druze have official recognition as a separate religious community". Given that, I don't think what I wrote in the Golan Heights is so horrible, but if you have a better phrasing, please improve it. I probably should have written "... and 2,100 Alawites", because I think the (non-Druze) Muslims of the Golan Heights are all Alawites, but I don't know it for fact. Note that I am citing an official Israeli source that doesn't consider Druze to be Muslim, which is the primary reason why I made the distinction in the phrasing (and it doesn't provide data about Sunis, Shi'ites, etc.). I really don't know enough about the subject, so if it is established that Druze ought to be considered Muslim, then given the cited data, I suppose the phrasing would be "21,400 Muslims, including 19,300 Druze...". However, I think this issue should be clarified first in the Druze article (I see you're taking part in this effort right now).--Doron 08:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I understand it is a delicate issue. Actually, as far as we are concerned, it's delicate from two different aspects: (a) we do not wish to offend anyone when dealing with issues of identity and self-identity; (b) on the other hand, we should be careful to avoid original research. Almost any phrasing I can think of would possibly conflict with one of these aspects. I recall a recent edit war regarding Messianic Judaism, and I can imagine similar issues with respect to Mormons. This really should be discussed in Talk:Druze, how about we first see something definite there before changing the phrasing in the Golan Heights article, just to avoid yet another edit war (I expect pro-Israelis to oppose your view)?--Doron 14:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I think this is an important issue, and now that Zero has joined the discussion in my talk page, I really think it would be more convenient to move to Talk:Golan Heights, if you have no objections...--Doron 10:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RfC Aminz

Thanks, Palmiro. However, I am not really sure what the procedure is for commenting in these cases, as I have not come across one before. I also have the feeling that whatever I say will be dismissed anyway. Anyway, I hope to be able to comment after others have set the ball rolling.Itsmejudith 23:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

"...was dismissed by one of the complainants here as "a tertiary source" and it was remarked that "After that quote it doesn't seem trustworthy"...."

You should name that complainant and point out that this despicable behavior is from an admin.

I don't see why. Anyone who feels the need to can go check for themselves. And I don't agree that it's despicable. Palmiro | Talk 08:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Palmiro, Thanks very much for your help. I also appreciate your comments on my RfC page. Thanks! --Aminz 22:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Random Smiley

Jerry lavoie 07:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

Countless categories with the word "Palestine" in them have been put up as CfDs in recent months by Amoruso and others and been deleted. Since then, users who supported these CfDs have systematically been engaged in replacing categories with the name "Palestine" with "Palestinian etc....." As for that particular page, yes "Palestinian people" is an inappropriate category in my opinion. But the user in question isn't exactly known on compromising on categories, or for being able to use the talk page effectively (if at all).

On another topic, there is some serious POV and WP:OR going on in Battle of Jenin, with a user and what I suspect are his sockpuppets. If you have a chance, I'd appreciate your ideas on the wording. Ramallite ^(talk) 05:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template talk:IRAs

Hi User:Palmiro, I noticed that you were involved in the last discussion at Template talk:IRAs, and I'd like to discuss a few changes I'd like to make. When I started last, someone reverted me, so I'd really like some other folks' input. I'd appreciate your thoughts at Template talk:IRAs. Erin Go Bragh

[edit] Verifying the references

Salam Alaykum

Could you please help us in Talk:Hezbollah#Verifying the references ?--Sa.vakilian 03:55, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Robert Spencer

Hi Palmiro,

This is the link which I was refering to in one of our discussions. It is now active [2].

It is written by Professor Carl Ernst, William R. Kenan, Jr., Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies and Director of the Carolina Center for the Study of the Middle East and Muslim Civilizations University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.

It stresses the importance of the publisher.

Cheers, --Aminz 23:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] We need your help

Hi, How are you?

Please come and help us to finish verification of Hezbollah references.talk:Hezbollah#Verifying the references--Sa.vakilian 16:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] template of sryia.

Hello Dear ,do you have any idea where i can find template of sryia to put it in related topics of syria.i will be thankful to you for this Khalidkhoso 20:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Syria

[edit] Deletion of map

Hi Palmiro! Please have a quick look at Image talk:Expansion plan Ma'ale Adummim.gif, someone wants to delete the map. Tazmaniacs 21:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)