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[edit] Here we go again

OK, Deuterium, now we have to find some facts to balance what seems to be your delightfully cherry-picked quotations Image:smile.gif -- Avi 14:33, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

The quotations aren't cherry picked, they're representative of their respective sources. As for the balance issues, I couldn't find any serious studies (rather than blatant cherry picking) that found that Palestinian textbooks did incite violence.

Palestinian textbooks did [and still do] incite violence against Jewish people. You have not looked at all of the studies. -Dendoi

What's with all the tags? I can see that you think it's unbalanced, but it's factually accurate (with supporting cites) and written from a neutral point of view. And why the globalize tag? Deuterium 15:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I've cleaned up the worst of it, but there's still much more to go. Stating non-notable opinion as fact is a no-no, for one thing. Jayjg (talk) 16:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Does this really warrant its own article?

This seems to me to be a relevant part of Institutional anti-Semitism in the Palestinian Authority or something, but what kind of article title is "Palestinian textbooks", and on what grounds is it regarded as a sufficiently independent topic to stand as an article of its own? Tomertalk 00:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Agree. What's next, Palestinian coloring books?
As for the title, I would suggest Palestinian Authority and anti-Semitism. ←Humus sapiens ну? 02:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
There have been numerous allegations of terrorist incitement against Palestinian textbooks in the media, and studies performed so it seems to be a very controversial topic and worthy of an article.
Regardless, Palestinian Authority and anti-Semitism is an extremely biased title; Allegations of Anti-Semitism against the Palestinian Authority is the neutral choice. Deuterium 02:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

It's just another mini-article created for the purpose of soapboxing; it's obviously not quite as useful for that purpose, now that it has been cleaned up a bit. It could probably just be re-incorporated into the Palestinian Authority article, perhaps in an education section. Jayjg (talk) 18:09, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the title is very misleading. The article is not about textbooks, but about politcs and propoganda. A meaningful article would talk about the Palestinian curriculum, grading system, school boards, examinations, degrees etc. I suggest moving this to an article called Academic bias in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This woudl be more neutral than Palestinian Authority and anti-Semitism.Bless sins 05:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] of course Palestinian textbooks encourage violance

Palestinian textbooks of course tell lies that get Palestinian kids to hate Jews as a race and Israel as a nation. that statement is reporting thefact. it's not only in Palestinian textbooks, the horrible lies are on TV, radio and the news media. Some Palestinian children are violent against the Israelis. Just so you a;ll know, Palestinian textbooks are anti semetic. In the movie Protacles of Zion, a little girl called the jews pigs. Palestinian textbooks like Palestinian TV, radio and news media also says that suicide bombers are martyrs and that the yuwold go to heaven. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dendoi (talk • contribs) 23:22, November 25, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Zionists r at it again

Is wikipedia zionpedia? Why don't they also say that Arabs and Muslims r devils while Israelis r angels too?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Robin Hood 1212 (talk • contribs).


-- I think the Arabs and Muslims are doing fine saying this themselves. Have you ever watched Al-Jazeera or read a recent Palestinian textbook? Their racism is what keeps them oppressed and suffering.

[edit] Suggested Move

I suggest the article be moved to Academic bias in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I also suggest that "Palestinian textbooks" redirect to some relvent section of an article.Bless sins 04:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I am curious as to the purpose of the move and what else would go into the proposed article. This particular article looks like it can stand on its own and many well-known organizations, groups and individuals are concerned specifically with Palestinian textbooks. I don't necessarily object to the move, but maybe it is better if Academic bias in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would contain a summary section of this one. ←Humus sapiens ну? 11:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello Humus Sapiens. The reason is that the current title is very misleading. When most people think of "Palestinian textbooks" or "Israeli textbooks", we think of the curriculum of the respective country. We think of the quality of education, the professors that wrote those textbooks, whether they meet world standard, etc. You know, education sort of things. This article doesn't show the Palestinian science curriculum, arabic curriculum, art curriculum etc. only the Palestinain views on Israel.
The problem with this article is that it is completely political. It doesn't really talk about the Palestianian education, only about the bias in those textbooks. We must realize that there is more to Palestinian books than Israel.Bless sins 17:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
So add such information to a new section in this article. That does not mean the name must be changed. If this section threatens to overwhelm all other information, perhaps it should be spun off into Academic bias in Palestinian textbooks. -- Avi 17:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Avi. Also, the article seems to reflect a number of reports produced by a variety of sources. I think that Bless sins's complaints are misplaced: it was not Israel, America or Europe that made Palestinian textbooks "completely political." Perhaps you should address your concerns to the PLO/Fatah. ←Humus sapiens ну? 21:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not complaining to anyone (niether Fatah nor Israel). How did you deduce that? Here is my argument in easy to follow steps.
  1. This article does not talk about "Palestinain textbooks", but only the political aspect of the textbooks. It does not talk about the science, mathematics, Arabic, art etc, but only politics. A meaningful analogy would be if an article about Paris, was called "France".
  2. Renaming the article to "Academic bias in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict" will give the article some context. It would also allow views on Palestinians and Israelis to be presented side by side. Infact the section titled "2002 George Eckart Institute comparison" compares Israeli books with Palestinian ones.

Please do respond.Bless sins 02:43, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

The article talks at length about issues with Palestinian textbooks, and various analyses done of them. Jayjg (talk) 02:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
But that's exactly the problem! The article doesn't talk of Palestinian textbooks, rather talks of the political aspect of Palestinian textboks. Just as an article about biology should not be named "science", similarly this article should not be named "Palestinian textbooks". In both cases, the given title is far too general for the topic.Bless sins 16:50, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
This appears to be the only notable aspects of them; highly notable, given the number of studies devoted to the subject. In general, textbooks aren't a particularly encyclopedic topic, so there's no real broader context to place this in. Jayjg (talk) 22:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Your kinda agreeing with my position without knowing it.
  • "This appears to be the only notable aspects of them". Exactly. Why call an article "Palestinian textbooks" only to ignore most of what they contain? Doesn't make sense.
  • "In general, textbooks aren't a particularly encyclopedic topic," again I agree with you. Why call this article Palestinian textbooks when textbooks aren't an encyclopedic topic?
  • "...so there's no real broader context to place this in". Right, but I am saying that we should place them in a narrower context. Instead of calling this "Palestinian textbooks", we should move it to something like "academic bias in Palestinian textbooks", or more NPOV, "academic bias in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict" to place bias in its context.Bless sins 21:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

== Palestinian education is the root of terrorism

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Terrorism preceded occupation, just look at the number of Israelis murdered by Arabs before 1967 and before 1956. The Palestinian education system is based on racism and hatred. This is the root of violence. There will never be peace in the Middle East until someone changes the education system of Arabs in Saudi Arabia, and other hostile nations.

[edit] Intro is blatantly POV. ... Or, title doesn't match the entry.

If I didn't know better, from reading this article I'd think that the definition or essence of "Palestinian textbook" is: "Palestinian textbooks have been accused of instilling anti-Semitic attitudes or inciting Palestinian children to commit violence or terrorism." If this article is about bias in Palestinian textbooks (which it appears to be), then it should be called something different, say "Bias in Palestinian textbooks." If the article is just about Palestinian textbooks, maybe there should be, say, a listing of textbooks and a detailed analysis of their content. It seems that this entry and its title don't match. Organ123 17:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

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