Talk:Pakistan Air Force

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[edit] A bit of a reality check

Specifically, wake up from all the unsubstantiated fairy tales of some MM Alam guy shooting planes in seconds and Santa doing kung fu to save Pakistan that your military controlled media has been feeding you. Also, The PAF paratrooping disaster with Major Khalid Butt stays and so does the mention from globalsecurity.com. These things actually happened, try living with it. Freedom skies 17:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] What?, NO pictures?

come on man put up some PAF pictures up....it looks boring without it....people need to see an example. the INDIAN AIR FORCE page has plenty of pictures. put some up please

[edit] References, please

Instead of ranting about the incident you can help everyone by giving references to third party/neutral sites/literature where these 'fairy tales' have been discussed. I have personally seen Indians hotly disputing this incident but have not found one single neutral reference which disputes it. But I do accept that the IAF kicked PAFs asses in the 1971 war. No doubt about it. All the neutral sources indicates so as well.chem1 13:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Where do you people learn to talk like that ?? I don't need references, the Pakistanis who claim a MM Alam guy saved them during the war do.

Go get a western source to substantiate the claim, get the pics of the debris MM Alam's "ace" kills, in case you did'nt know he said he shot a few planes and radio pakistan was running his "great military achievements" before he even did land, the verification never happened.

The Pakistan govt never speaks of either any of this outside of their country, neither have they officially tried for an "ace" status for that MM Alam guy.

Get the facts and come talk to me, before then the MM Alam guy is just a fabrication of a Pakistani force which lay devastated in a war and needed an urban legend to save their face. Freedom skies 13:26, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Once more, references please

There is no use shouting at the top of your voice. If you have something to say, please substantiate it with proper references. Otherwise, kindly do not waste everyone's (and especially your own) time. Cheers! chem1 15:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] dubious claims on an independent source

I had to tag the following line "Independent observers credit PAF with a three to one kill ratio." as dubious cause I couldn't find any "independent observers" with source saying a 3:1 kill ratio. --Idleguy 09:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dead link

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[edit] where is the 1971 war?

the 1971 war is missing, somebody should add it

........i just did!! its my first contrib of any size on wiki!!

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