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OK, here it is...just in case someone has something to say to me :o)

[edit] Jerma/Erma

Hi! I saw your great contributions to the Nišava article. I've had the wish to start an article on the Jerma (Erma in Bulgarian) since quite a long time, but I can only find information about the Bulgarian section (and quite scarce actually), so I was wondering if you'd be willing to help. Greetings from Bulgaria :) → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 20:20, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Здраво Тодоре :o) Thanks. I planned to start Jerma article too, but it's still low on my list. I started this page Rivers of Serbia and Montenegro so I am adding and filling data coming from the top...I also expanded the Timok today and I am at the Bosut right now. But sure, I will add Jerma with what I got, and you feel free to add anything you have and correct everything you think is bad. I would also like to ask you few question cause I'm new at this and I really don't have nerves to read all the 'How to' pages here. How can I change title of the article and can I also write my nick in Cyrillic? Thanks in advance and take care. Dragan PajaBG 20:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Great! So we'll be collaborating pretty soon then. As for changing titles, this is done by moving the page to a new title with the "move" button up there, right of the "history" one above the article text. I think Cyrillic is not permitted for the username itself, but you can sign with a name in Cyrillic — type something in the spirit of [[User:PajaBG|Драган]] to make a redirect to your userpage while having your name displayed the way you like it.

→ Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 20:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

By the way, welcome to Wikipedia and don't hesitate do ask me when you're not sure how to do this or that, I'd be happy to help. And don't forget to be bold! :)

→ Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 20:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it went well indeed! Well, transliterating Bulgarian Cyrillic into Latin is quite an issue, as we don't have a Bulgarian Latin alphabet. The system that Serbian uses was used in Bulgaria officially before and still can be seen, but recently the one we use in Wikipedia was made somewhat official and is the one I usually rely. I've added the Bulgarian Cyrillic names. Hope we'll work together on other articles in the future too!

→ Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 10:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Visočica is the same as in Serbian in Cyrillic (i.e. Височица) and is transliterated as Visochitsa from Bulgarian. Dragovištica is Драговищица in Bulgarian Cyrillic and is transliterated as Dragovishtitsa. I'd be happy to have a look at the articles when you write them. There's some info about the two rivers in the Bulgarian Wikipedia you might want to check out (although it's not much and your sources certainly have more detailed info, but anyway) — bg:Драговищица (река) and a few references about the river in bg:Висок (котловина).

→ Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 18:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Nothing happens to [[:bg:interwikis]] and standard [[wikilinks]]. The page's former title becomes a redirect and the pages that used to redirect to the old title keep doing it, so they don't automatically lead you to the new title. This has to be fixed by changing the redirects to point to the new location. Знам малко сръбски, македонски по-добре, но всичко разбирам ;) Пиши както ти е удобно, няма проблем.

→ Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 08:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

All right, so I've done a little copyediting on the article and replaced the Serbian (or only added the Bulgarian when the objects are shared) Latin with Bulgarian transliteration. Are Gola Glava and Bratkova Strana only in Serbia or border peaks like Midžor/Midzhur and Vražija Glava/Vrazha glava? If they are, we should note the second word is written in small caps (i.e. Gola glava, Bratkova strana) in Bulgarian. How come you've listened to Azis and other chalga singers? Turbo-folk is quite popular here, but I didn't think the reverse was possible. Anyway, not that I like these styles :)

→ Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 09:41, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry about the Serbian Latin, transliterating Bulgarian is a little complicated and you can count on me for doing it. As for the small/large caps of common nouns in names of objects, this has become an issue of its own actually, as many Bulgarian names are also capped like in English and different from Bulgarian when used here. It indeed is bad to use dual names for links, but mentioning an alternative name in text (when we also mention the Cyrillic) is OK.

"It's" is a contraction of "it is" and "its" means "njegov". They are not a version of one other, but different things that have different uses. Some people prefer linking years, other do not — it's a matter of one's own style.

→ Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 08:49, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, actually you'd better create a Category:Rivers of Serbia (and add Category:Rivers of Europe, Category:Geography of Serbia and Category:Rivers by country to the page), as well as substitute the Category:Rivers of Serbia and Montenegro part with only Serbia on all relevant pages. In other words — move the articles to a different category and request the deletion of Category:Rivers of Serbia and Montenegro at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. But I'd also suggest that you wait until the necessary legislation has been introduced and Montenegro is officially independent, probably in a couple of days.

→ Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 17:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Western Outlands

Хехе, извини :) Кад сам видео какви су коментари брисани и да је то учинио ПајаБГ помислио да је се неки Бугар одлучио на то. No problem sada... --estavisti 19:02, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geografija

Što se tiče geografije Vojvodine, uglavnom znam ono što imam u geografskom atlasu. :) Ne znam stvarno koliko je dugačka reka Kereš, probaj to naći na google search. Što se tiče toga da li su ovi kanali delovi DTD sistema, ne znam da li je to tačno. Ja sam ih prvo tu napisao kao posebne kanale i onda ih je drugi korisnik napisao kao delove DTD. Pošto ne znam šta je tačno ostavio sam tako. Ako misliš da nisu deo DTD, slobodno promeni to. PANONIAN (talk) 12:17, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, imam samo jednu sugestiju: ako budeš dopunjavao članak Geography of Vojvodina, zamolio bih te da ne pretvoriš te spiskove u tekst. Spiskovi reka, regiona, planina, itd, daju preglednost članku, i moja sugestija je da te spiskove ostaviš, a da tekst (koji ćeš eventualno ubaciti) staviš paralelno sa spiskovima. Znači, članak bi po meni trebalo da sadrži i spiskove i tekst. PANONIAN (talk) 00:37, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naming of the "Suburbs of Belgrade" category

I understand that the category is not well named, but what do you propose it is renamed to? "Neighborhoods of Belgrade"? Well, before your reply I will rename it to that anyway... seeing as it would be consistent with the naming of the "List of Belgrade neighborhoods" article - whose naming I assume you agree with. Lepi covik 06:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Just an additional note... I have begun a transition from the previous category Category:Suburbs of Belgrade to the new category Category:Neighborhoods of Belgrade ... I have not completed it and will not be completing the transition -- it is too much of a job. If you do not agree with the category's naming, then I suggest that you invent suitable categories and lead the categorization on the correct track... Lepi covik

[edit] Highest point of Serbia

Hey Paja, what's the highest point of Serbia (counting Vojvodina but not Montenegro)? Is it in Kosovo? And if it is, is the highest point of Serbia excluding Kosovo Midžor (2,169 m) on the border with Bulgaria? Todor Bozhinov → 09:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh well, Kosovo is such a complex issue, who knows what would happen. I know Serbia proper and Vojvodina are relatively flat, while Kosovo and Montenegro are mountainous regions, so I was curious. Then Triglav in Slovenia was the highest peak of the former Yugoslavia, right? Todor Bozhinov → 13:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Drina

Hi! I've done the copyedit. You might want to check out the {{Infobox River}} template, it's very useful. Also, make sure you divide the article into sections and subsections so that it is easier to read and find the content you're interested in. Otherwise you're doing it fine, the article has become quite comprehensive and thorough. Also, you may like to check somewhere if the verb "carved" is really used for a gorge and if "the river is flooded" is a nice way to say an artificial lake is located there on its course – I'm also not a native speaker of English and I've left the phrases this way, but they don't sound natural to me too. Your other problems are the definitive article (that's most likely because you don't have one in Serbian) and that "its"/"its" confusion, but these are minor things to worry about, as there are enough people to copyedit what you write here. Don't hesitate to ask me if you need some other help with checking articles!

Umm, by the way, is there any difference in the meaning of "ćuprija" and "most" in Serbian? We in Bulgaria only use "most" and our version of "ćuprija" (кюприя, should be kjuprija in Serbian Latin) is an archaic Turkish-origin word that could only be found in occasional toponyms and regional speech, so I'm curious because I have a general interest in linguistics and especially South Slavic languages. Todor Bozhinov → 09:58, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! It seems like it's going the way most loanwords from Ottoman Turkish go — theyr'e slowly but constantly dropping out of use. Todor Bozhinov → 15:07, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I've replied at the talk page. I hope the user would suggest some ways we could improve the article in terms of style and would be more clear with expressing his concerns. Todor Bozhinov → 10:03, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beograd

Umm, a vertical list would really be a bad idea, so it was a good decision to look for other ways. The way it's done on List of cities in Bulgaria#Ordered alphabetically may be the most suitable one for your list too. You simply have to decide when you'd like a new column and put "|" :) Hope it would work well in your case! Todor Bozhinov → 13:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dragovishtitsa

I've checked it out — it's another great contribution to a topic that lacks good coverage on Wikipedia! There's only one thing that bothers me, why is Macedonia listed as a basin country? The river doesn't flow through Macedonia, but flows farily close to the border, does it receive any tributaries from there? Todor →Bozhinov 14:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

No, leave it like that, I was just curious :) I rely only on a not really detailed school relief map of Bulgaria that shows the Dragovishtitsa (but not its name), and not any of its tributaries, so I had to ask. Thanks for the info! Todor →Bozhinov 17:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit Summaries

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[edit] Rivers of Serbia

Ubacio sam članak Rivers of Serbia na Serbia template. Lako je ubaciti nov članak. Samo edituješ template i dodaš šta želiš. PANONIAN (talk) 21:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bojana River

Hi! Happy to hear from you again! Regarding the article, it looks like some Albanian guy made a copy of an existing article using the content from Bojana River, but instead he chose the title Buna/Bojana River. This is very bad and should be avoided — he's made a complete mess indeed. I'm not sure if the talk's edit history could be preserved (but I doubt it), so I think you should copy the text from Talk:Buna/Bojana River and paste it to Talk:Bojana River (minding the date of each post) and then redirect Talk:Buna/Bojana River to where it is supposed to be. That's what Wikipedia:Merging and moving pages seems to suggest. Todor →Bozhinov 15:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Palilula

Molim te pogledaj ovo: Palilula Belgrade. Ubacio sam novi odeljak o gradskim četvrtima tu, ali nisam znao za svaku četvrt na kojoj se strani Dunava nalazi. Možeš li to pogledati i proveriti za svako naselje i gradsku četvrt da li je napisano na pravoj strani Dunava? PANONIAN (talk) 14:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

U stvari treba samo da proveriš odeljak "Neighborhoods on the right bank of the Danube", jer sam ostale ja proverio, međutim, nisam siguran da li se svi iz ovog odeljka nalaze na desnoj obali Dunava ili je koji od ovih i na levoj. PANONIAN (talk) 15:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Slike

E, mislim da bi u članke o kvartovima Beograda trebalo staviti i fotografije. Na Vikipediji ima nekih slika Beograda, ali pošto ja ne znam tačno koja slika pokazuje koji kvart, predložio bih ti da malo pogledaš te slike pa da ih ubaciš u odgovarajuće članke o kvartovima. Na primer ako na Vikipediji postoji neka slika Bežanije mogla bi da se ubaci u taj članak, itd. PANONIAN (talk) 01:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Pa da bi našao slike Beograda na Vikipediji, onda pored članka o Beogradu možeš da ih nađeš i u drugim člancima vezanim za Beograd, na primer Belgrade Arena, Sava Center, itd. Tu takođe ima slika Beograda. Do tih članaka možeš doći ili iz glavnog članka o Beogradu, ili iz kategorije Beograd. Nema drugog načina za pretraživanje slika. PANONIAN (talk) 20:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Better late than never; welcome!

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[edit] Blokovi

(u vezi sa tvojim komentarom na [1])

Izvinjavam se za nepazljivi revert, nisam ugledao te dodatne linkove. Razlog reverta je bio izbacivanje blokova 61-64 iz ovog clanka na osnovu tvrdnje da oni geografski pripadaju Bezaniji. Ta tvrdnja ne moze se zasnivati na cinjenicama, jer blokovi kao geografska celina nisu nigde zvanicno utvrdjeni, pa se tako pripadnost (ili nepripadnost) drugoj geografskoj celini (poput Bezanije) ne moze smatrati za causu kada je u pitanju veza sa nekom drugom odrednicom. Primera radi, to sto je neko u Bezaniji, ne znaci da nije i u Beogradu.

U tom smislu, ne mogu da prihvatim tvrdnju da blokovi 61-64 nisu blokovi, vec deo jedne ruralne sredine. Valjda se pripadnost neformalnim celinama poput ove odredjuje obicajima, navikama i praksom (npr. kada ljudi iz bloka 61 govore kako 'zive u blokovima' itd.), pa se stoga protivim izostavljanju ovih blokova iz clanka o blokovima, a posebno izbacivanju vec postojecih odrednica o njima. Radicu na prosirenju clanka ovih dana, nadam se, uz pomoc ostalih clanova zajednice koji ce prihvatiti ovu argumentaciju. Pozdrav, Meelosh 08:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC).

To je potpuno u redu. Nisam siguran ima li posebnog smisla deliti blokove na "savske" i "bezanijske", ali OK, nemam nista protiv ni te odrednice. Gledacu da napravim jednu malu mapu gde ce biti oznaceni blokovi, pa bih mogao da razlicitim bojama obelezim ove dve kategorije? A da li je Bezanija selo... pa sta znam, mene ona Vojvodjanska ulica neodoljivo podseca na neko prilicno neuredjeno vojvodjansko selo :) Ima one kanale, male kuce, domace zivotinje, sve sto treba... Pozdrav, Meelosh 13:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC).

Dodao bih i da članak o Bežaniji ne govori o blokovima 61-64 kao o svom sastavnom delu. Naprotiv, mislim da (bez ozbira na očigledno zastarele geografske odrednice) ovi blokovi imaju mnogo više zajedničkog sa savskim blokovima i pripadaju sa njima u zajedničkoj celini, nego što imaju sa današnjom Bežanijom - selu podno onog brda, Bežanijskoj kosi i fabrici IMT. Meelosh 13:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Senjak belonging to "Topcidersko Brdo" municipality until 1957?

Could you please clarify your addition to the article Senjak on the 30th of December, stating that Senjak belonged to a "Topcidersko Brdo" municipality until 1957. This is quite unclear -- there doesn't seem to be such a municipality at present, and if you meant something else by the statement then this to me seems unobvious. I personally do not know much about Serbian geography and am thus unable to correctly judge. —Pametni 02:18, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I have created an article on Topčidersko Brdo. I am just telling you as you may wish to expand on it =). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pametni (talk • contribs) 05:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Dorcol

Lepo prosirenje clanka, ja sam planirao da to uradim u buducnosti kada malo skupim podataka, ali vidim da vise nema potrebe:)Pozdrav i sve najbolje, Velimir85 19:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Pa videcu za podatke, sad mi to nije prioritet jer uglavnom radim druge stvari na sr wiki. A za slike vazi, islikacu neke bitne stvari kad budem stigao. Jesam Dorcolac, zivim u Jevremovoj...poz i sve najbolje, Velimir85 23:13, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Gornji Dorcol je od Dusanove do Studentskog parka, a donji od Dusanove nadole...Velimir85 15:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello from California

I see that you are interested in Geography as well. Thanks for the kind message. I don't understand why people want to delete real places but need to keep every character or place in some fictitious universe like Pokemon or Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Star Trek. It's like the real world isn't important and only television is. Carlossuarez46 16:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good work :)

Saw your edits to the Višnjica article - excellent! I actually visited Beograd a few years ago on my world travels and loved the place. Orderinchaos78 13:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I argued purely on merit. If you look around you'll find the Australian contingent here end up spending a fair bit of time at AfD defending what we perceive to be ill-considered (although good faith) nominations, although for a while now we haven't had anything major happen. The most recent spate involved large shopping centres in Sydney. And yeah, a Serbian guy I know here in Perth (from Kruševac in the south) insisted I should go there as my trip was taking me so close as it was - Vienna and Istanbul were already confirmed destinations. I'm glad I did - I intend to be back one day, and hopefully see some of the rest of the country while I'm there. Orderinchaos78 22:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

That sounds great! Thank you - and same for if you're ever in this part of the world. Orderinchaos78 21:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Romska naselja u Beogradu

Počeo sam članak o romskim naseljima, pa bih te samo zamolio da dodaš u taj spisak i imena drugih romskih naselja na području Beograda ako ih znaš: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roma_settlements#Serbia PANONIAN (talk) 21:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crveni Krst (Belgrade)

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