Talk:Pagans MC
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I have tried to smooth this article out, but it seems as if it is highly POV. The list of motorcycle gangs that have contributed to the California stereotype can probably be whittled down to about five or seven. The majority of the article stands out as an explanantion for their "outlaw" stigma. The paragraph that begins, "Cities are filled with gangs and the criminal subculture so it is not as easy as you might think for a club to survive." doesn't really seem to explain why that makes it hard for a club to survive. The sentence that says, "The Pagan's MC is a motorcycle club first and foremost and as such mirrors the values of the society in which it lives." raises a question also. Which society is being referred to; a mainstream society, subculture, or even a counter-culture? Lastly, if this club is not as responsible for its stigma as we may think then it looks bad when you try to explain it all away. Focus less on the explanations and more on your day-to-day activities as a club. Tell us of the cause(s) you may be aligned with or how it is that you actually do go about achieving the American dream. Don't tell us how we think you go about achieving the American dream. Hmm, that is all I have for now, good luck! Jaberwocky6669 04:34, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] The stigma may be at least partially founded.
I'm not really a biker, but I do have a Yamaha Vino. Yeah, I know, it's a dinky scooter. Anyway, the Local 16th, which is how the Pagans here in Roanoke Virginia refer to theirselves, (P for Pagan, and P is the 16th letter of the alphabet) tend to be fairly friendly toward me. They don't see my vino as being any less of a bike. I often get affectionate nods from them for riding it around everywhere. At any rate, one day, I stop by one of the bars they frequent to shoot a game of pool. A few of them were talking about having just gotten out of prison for going up to New York City and picking fights with the Hells Angels. Wether they were just blowing smoke or not, I don't know. But at least some members of the Pagans that I am aquainted with are at least deserving of the outlaw stigma. Perhaps not all. It's really a matter of guilt by association. - 09:09, 27 April, 2006 (UTC)
