User talk:Pacificarms

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[edit] James Cole

In response to your message on my talk page, the article you created, as you probably know, was merely a re-creation of a previously deleted article. In looking at the deletion log for the page, I noticed that the page has been re-created and deleted six times now. Please see Wikipedia:Vanity guidelines#Policy regarding vanity articles. Thanks. - Jersyko talk 14:41, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• The article made claims that were completely unsubstantiated and possibly false. For instance, a google search of "James Cole" + the titles of the books he supposedly wrote reveals no results. Thus, even if the article was not a re-creation of a previously deleted vanity article, the article at least made false claims about the person's notability. Finally, the claim that Nigerian rebels (or whoever it was, i don't recall what the article said) were somehow after this person, leading to the downing of an airplane (and his somehow miraculous escape) further tend to cast doubt on the credibility of the article (I'm not seeing any news items on the subject). I recommend that if you wish to write about Mr. Cole, you do so on your userpage. - Jersyko talk 15:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Jersyko - I think you may have misread the article. Any claims that were unsubstantiated were clearly marked as such, "believed to have been" aboard the flight, "rumours" of MEND involvement, "reports of sightings" in Quito. Claims stated as fact either were, or were soon to be, backed up with citations. Furthermore, it was never stated that his works were books; they were articles written during university tenure, and I was in the process of locating them to include excerpts in the article. Further still, there was no mention of a "miraculous escape" - the article simply mentioned that his body was not recovered from the wreckage. According to best information he was going to be on that plane, yet Sosoliso will not provide a passenger manifest or confirm if he was indeed onboard. Even more disturbing is your cursory fact checking which consists of simply running his name and titles of work through Google, and having no results be sufficient evidence for you. Do you fact check every article this thoroughly? I should think this would call into question many arbitrary decisions you have made in the past. I highly doubt you have access to the same newswires we are receiving our information from, and your subtle insinuation that I am Cole removes further credibility from your response. -pa

I stand by my decision to delete James cole. It falls well within WP:CSD A7. enochlau (talk) 02:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I would like to see this article. Was a proper VfD process entered into? Albatross2147 04:47, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I would support you if you were to make a complaint about lau. He seems to be in cahoots with others - they seem to go around bullying people who do something that doesn't fit in with their ideas. (comment edited to remove inflammatory materials) Albatross2147 21:14, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

If you think the deletion was wrong, rather than trying to re-write the article or ask for a desysoping, you may wish to ask for a vote for undeletion. It involves less work than the other two options. If the general community doesn't think it needs undeletion, then they wouldn't support a de-sysoping or a re-writing the article. Wikipedia:Deletion review Andjam 11:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)