Talk:Pacte civil de solidarité
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I read on a French forum that civil unions are not recognised in St. Pierre and Miquelon. Anybody know if this is true? Carolynparrishfan 00:43, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Inasmuch as St Pierre and Miquelon are not a "département d'outre mer" (the type of overseas territory legally most like mainland france) but a "collectivité d'outre mer" they could in fact have an administrative status whereby PACS is not recognised by their local administrative authorities. That said, the PACS is really a special kind of "union", in that it is not really a "union". It is literally a contract drawn up between the two members of a couple, which is then stamped and registered by the court. Following the registry, legaly speaking they are still single, not married, but a few things change for the couple. So whether or not your PACS changes anything depends on what you're talking about. Couples have to file jointly for taxes, and since this is administered centrally I am sure that residents of St Pierre and Miquelon are treated as a couple in this instance. Insurance companies noramlly recognise it, if you work in the civil service it is recognised, etc. But private enterprises aren't required to treat you as a couple -- the law doesn't require department stored to give you a joint Confinoga card, banks don't have to recognise you as a couple, etc. A person is not required to testify against their spouse in court, but I can't remember if this applies to PACSed people (which is embarrassing, considering I am PACSed myself). And then there are a lot of things in French law and society that don't change even for a straight couple who marry -- technically a married woman never changes her name, real estate purchases always explicitly state whether you're buying something jointly or for yourself... So to make a really long story short, I'm sure the PACS is recognised as much in St. P. and M. as it is in mainland France, that is to say occasionally.
--Daniel
Is there any way we can incorporate this into the article? Carolynparrishfan 03:43, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Strictly for couples?
What about, say, a grandmother whose grandson / grandaughter wants to protect her legally, financially (health care plan), etc.? Do PACS work for these, too, or is it meant strictly for couples? 70.45.38.227 04:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
To enter into a PaCS you can't be related "to the 3rd degree" (au 3eme degré) that is to say no brothers, uncles, nieces sisters etc. and you can't be at all related in a direct line i.e. no mothers, fathers, grandmothers etc. so to answer your question; yes it is strictly for couples. For the sake of completeness I'll add that step-relatives are also forbidden from entering into a PaCS because they are "closely allied" (les alliés proches) and it is also forbidden for minors, majors under guardianship (sous tutelle) and people who are already married or PaCSed. My source for this is the french wikipedia page on le PaCS and I've included the original french because I'm under no pretences that my translation is definitive. 212.159.46.125 00:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
