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[edit] Copyvio?

  • Owen Hargreaves from [1] and subsequent biography pages. Versions before 217.110.29.82's edit of September 3 are not copyvio. This IP address belongs to a small block allocated to colt.de in Munich, so it could have been written by a Bayern Munich fan, or even the original author of the official site... -- Arwel 13:39, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Nationality

If the fact that him being a Welsh footballer incorrect, then him being a Canadian footballer is incorrect since he plays for England. And as far as him being a British footballer, I though England is from Britain. So that wouldn't be incorrect.

It is acceptable to call him a "Canadian footballer" because he is a footballer born in Canada and has Canadian citizenship.
It is correct to call him an "Englixh footballer" because he plays for England by right of his father's nationality.
It is incorrect to call him a "Welsh footballer" even though his mother was Welsh, because he has now represented England internationally and is ineligible to represent any other country. We often categorise players under each major club they've played for (see Tomasz Radzinski, for instance), so multiple nationality is not inherently a problem, but we don't categorise them under what they've never been.
"English footallers" and "Welsh footballers" are subcategories of "British footballers". It is standard practice on Wikipedia to categorise articles at the lowest possible subcategory, and certainly not twice in the same set of subcategories, which is why I'm taking the "British footballers/athletes" categories out (again). -- Arwel 02:29, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
I believe that it is playing for the senior team in a recognised A international that seals one's eligibility as far as FIFA regulations are concerned. Hargreaves thus lost any ambitions he may have harboured for representing Germany, Wales or Canada when he played in the match against Holland, not that against England. I am fairly confident of this, but I will not change it on the article for a few days lest anyone be able to contradict me authoritatively. Kevin McE 20:31, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
So is this in reference to the Canadian soccer players category? This is the debatable one. There shouldn't be any problem with anyone else. Kingjeff 22:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] non sequitur

It is not the correct terminolgy to say that the England v Portugal match at Euro 2004 ended 8-7. It ended 2-2 after 120 minutes of open play, and was then 6-5 to Portugal after the penalty shoot out. You do not combine the open play score withe the penalty kicks to make an aggregate.

The above comment inserted in the middle of previous discussion by 143.52.5.181 on 31 May 2006.

[edit] More on categories

I have removed the following categories, again, for the following reasons. Please do not put them back!

Category:British footballers - this category is only used as a supercategory for Category:English footballers,Category:Scottish footballers,Category:Welsh footballers, etc. Individual players are not put in this category.
Category:British athletes, Category:English athletes - these categories are reserved for track-and-field athletes, not footballers. -- Arwel 17:29, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Since when is a footballer not an athlete? They are more of an athelete then a track person will ever be.

In UK English, athlete is generallly reserved for practitioners of what in US English is called track and field. Kevin McE 14:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Career tables

I think the club career table should go under the club career table and the International career table should go under International career. What does everyone else think? 198.96.86.4 13:40, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

How about 1 section with 2 subsections? Kingjeff 14:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

It is a standard table used for many footballers. Kevin McE 14:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Islam

What on Earth is the thing about him converting to Islam? Whilst I can't speak with 100% certainty, it's not been reported anywhere and I can't find any reference to it via Google or Google News. -- Jason Knight 22:38, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

It's not mentioned on his official website either.

Removed. If it's the only edit ever made by an anonymous editor, then you can be pretty sure it's a vandals' hoax. -- Arwel (talk) 02:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Please will someone stop these muslims from saying everyone is muslim unless theres citation

It was probably edited by some BNP sympthazing fool, rather than a muslim -- Tocino
What makes you say this? Please keep such non-neutral statements out of Wikipedia! --Calzakk

I challenge the statement that Hargreaves played for Chingcousy Soccer Club. Chingcousy Soccer Club is based in Toronto, Ontario. Hargreaves never lived in Ontario; he lived in Calgary, Alberta.

The same thing has happened to the Kaká article several times late last year. This is somekind of joke. Kingjeff 05:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Opinions about international appearances

I would normally suggest that perceptions of a players performances are not relevant to an encyclopedia, and that they border on POV. I think in Hargreave's case, because it is so much a feature of his perception and profile, that some reference should be made, but at present it lacks encyclopedic tone and citations. Kevin McE 14:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

If perceptions of a players performance are included from reputable sources and cited appropriately, then there's no need to worry about POV. Batman2005 03:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Football/soccer

It's widely called soccer in Canada. The point about the new mls team in Canada is, in theory, is incorrect. The reason why Toronto FC has the fc is because of marketing reasons by the owner. Kingjeff 05:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Uh, no. You're correct about the FC in the name being for marketing purposes, but "Soccer" is called "Football" or "Futbol" in Canada as often as it's called Soccer. Additionally, the person who made the initial edit said that it is "never called football" in canada, which is wrong. Batman2005 20:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you back it up that "Soccer" is called "Football" or "Futbol" in Canada as often as it's called Soccer? Kingjeff 01:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Only from personal experiences. Remember, quite a few canadiens are of French descent, and Canada is very much like the USA with people from all over the world who live there. The prevailing term is soccer, but it is by no means correct to say that soccer is never called Football in Canada, which is the point I was making. It's immaterial though as I've not changed the page to say football or anything like that, i was simply pointing out that the user who said that it is "never, ever" called Football, was wrong. Batman2005 02:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Being a Canadian, I can firmly say that soccer is a much more predominant term. when football is used it is usually in the term european football to distinguish it from american/Canadian football. Using the term football as referring to soccer is most often used by minorities/immigrants. so, i guess u can say I agree with batman.

--Jadger 02:43, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] World Cup squad templates

Hargreaves is the only England player who does not have the World Cup squad template at the bottom of his page. I have put them on twice but they have subsequently been removed. The edit summary most recently described them as useless, however following the discussion herethere is no Wikipedia consensus to delete the templates, and I certainly feel they are useful and that it is odd for one player not to have them. Kelso21 22:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Much to the chagrin of myself and several other users, the templates have survived deletion, so they should stay whether we like them or not.  sʟυмɢυм • т • c  22:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

Regarding the following trivia:

Owen's older brother, Neil, lost the tip of a finger in an accident during a High School wood-cutting class & recieved approximately $50,000 in settlement.

This article is about Owen, not his brother. The trivia is at best tangentially related to the article's subject, and furthermore it's unsourced. Please find a reliable source and make the case for the trivia's relevance to this article before adding it to the article. --Muchness 01:57, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Agree with Muchness - even if it is verifiable, it surely has no place in this article. - fchd 15:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Munich

I put the template for WikiProject Munich here because he plays for Bayern Munich and he has lived in Munich for a decade. Kingjeff 19:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] nickname

I have never heard the nickname "the only good Canadian" before, is there some news source that uses it to verify this? I am a fan of Bayern and have never heard this before. Being Canadian also I kind of find this mildly offensive.

--Jadger 06:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I have removed it from the article as I did a google search and "the only good Canadian" Hargreaves resulted in absolutely zero matches. when "the only good Canadian" is searched for, it comes up with blogs about beer.

--Jadger 06:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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