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Shouldn't this just be at Ovid? I mean, no one ever calls him Publius Ovidius Naso, or even just Ovidius. Virgil and Horace are at their common names, rather than their full ones (as are the Roman Emperors). Adam Bishop 06:03, 21 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- I agree; I'll do the move (there's some history at the old Ovid page). If there are objections it's easily undone, and at any rate I'd be interested in seeing what any objections might be. - Hephaestos 06:37, 21 Sep 2003 (UTC)
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[edit] Ovid's sainthood
I removed the following from the article...
- Note: St. Ovidius, not recognized by the Catholic church, is in fact the same as Ovid. He supposedly showed an interest in Christianity near the end of life. A "book of St. Ovide" was denounced by John Calvin as a fake in his "Treatise on Relics", and Voltaire scorns the legend of St. Ovide resuscitating little children, so his legend was current in the 1600s. There is a section in Paris called St. Ovide. Women in his natal town, Sulmonia, pray to him at "Ovid's villa" to help them become fertile. Ovidio, Ovidius, and Ovide, which all derive from Ovid's name meaning "Lamb", remain boy's names in Europe and elsewhere.
...because it's unlikely to be completely true. Of course if its core facts can be confirmed by enough independent editors, it should be restored. -- Derek Ross | Talk 06:11, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Are actual copies of Ovid's works (10 b.c. etc.) in existence and where are they? What is the earliest ms. of Metamorphoses in existence and where is it? Thanks BobIsaacs@sbcglobal.net
There is a problem in the chronology of Ovid's works. 'Fasti' appears two times, with different dates.
[edit] restoration of BC/AD dating system
The dating system was BC/AD for quite a while, and was sporadically changed by an anon IP - just check the history - so I restored the version that was previously in use. Chooserr 20:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Is Ovid a darling?
My Renaissance Lit Professor, the greatly-learned Dr. Richard Zacha at the University of Texas at Arlington way back in the 1960's, always referred to Ovid as "the darling of the Renaissance." I wonder if others agree with Dr. Zacha. Was Ovid as important to the Renaissance as he was in his own time? If so, he was surely one of the greatest literary influences in all of history. Cal1440. Cal1440 21:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pronunciation: AH-vid? OWE-vid?
Can anyone shed light on the correct pronunciation of the name? Is it AH-vid? OWE-vid? Something else? More than one acceptable answer? --Imperpay 21:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- The correct pronunciation is more like AW-vid where AW rhymes with paw, raw or law. -- Derek Ross | Talk 23:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
- Errm, it depends on whether or not you're trying to replicate his name in classical Latin. Ovidius, pronounced classically is /owe-WEE-dyus/, hence a classicizing pronunciation would be /OWE-vid/. But most Anglophone classicists, even the Brits, usually say /AHH-vid/, or something like it. Mr. Ross' /AW-vid/ sounds to me like a British-accented take on this. -- Crispinus211 17:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Perhaps so, although since I'm Scottish, your American accent is probably closer to the "British" one than mine. However my Latin master never found the evidence for the classical pronunciation of V as W very convincing. Thus when preparing us for competition, he insisted that we use the V pronunciation. -- Derek Ross | Talk 18:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Vegetarian
When categorising under "vegetarians" (or "Italian vegetarians" in this case), it is preferable to provide both the fact and a source for it in the article. Would anyone be willing to provide them? --Grimhelm 21:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- Ovid himself, provides the information which leads some people to believe that he may have been a (neo-)Pythagorean (and therefore a vegetarian). At the beginning of book 15 of his poem, Metamorphoses, he makes Pythagoras expound on Pythagorean philosopy, although it is a rather "popular" exposition, going into some detail about how wicked it is to kill animals and eat them but saying little about the more "difficult" concepts. It's not conclusive evidence but it is indicative. When combined with earlier passages on the Golden Age in Metamorphoses which make it clear that Ovid thought that eating animals was evil, it becomes quite compelling.
- It's also worth noting that Ovid was a student of Seneca, who was himself a Pythagorean, so an influence can be found to explain Ovid's original exposure to Pythagoreanism. :To sum up, I'd love to provide a source once I find a good one. -- Derek Ross | Talk 06:38, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Medea tragedy
Medea, a lost tragedy about Medea
It should be mentioned in the article:
1. There are two short fragments which have survived.
2. The tragedy was praised by ancient writters (for example by Quintilianus).
--62.245.207.18 22:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Amores and Ovid's opinion of other poets
"Much of the Amores is tongue-in-cheek, and while Ovid appears to be taking the normal route of a love poem, he often uses this as a ploy before going against the norm and to a certain extent mocking the other love poets who he felt were not as good as himself, e.g. Propertius, Tibullus and Gallus". Hugh Davey 17:40, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- "Who he felt were not as good as himself"? Really? Could you back this up (perhaps with quotes from poem 15 of book 1 of the Amores?) Mhmaudling 19:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- Propertius in particular was a very close friend of Ovid and clearly influenced many of the poems in the Amores. And, as Mhmaudling points out, Gallus and Tibullus both get extremely favourable mentions in Amores I, poem 15. I think it more likely that Ovid wished he was as good as these poets than that he felt he was better. Of course Posterity feels that he was a better poet than them, but that's not to say that he himself did. Anyway, "tongue-in-cheek" was part of Ovid's style and didn't mean that he thought he was better than anyone else. In fact you'll find that he was quite as likely to mock himself as to mock others. So if you want to add that "felt were not as good as himself" material to the article you will need to find some evidence of it that some one else has written about, and cite it. -- Derek Ross | Talk 18:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
