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[edit] Map

You can upload the map of the Orinoco Basin included in the Spanish Wikipedia (article: Cuenca del Orinoco). --Fev 22:56, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ciudad Bolívar or Ciudad Guayana?

The article states that the river is navigable by ocean going ships as far as Ciudad Bolívar at the confluence of the Caroni River. Hower the Caroni enters the Orinoco at Ciudad Guayana, not Ciudad Bolívar, the latter being further upstream. So which of the two is it navigable to? Booshank 18:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Hello bookshank, I've visited the two places in question, and you're right, "the Caroni enters the Orinoco at Ciudad Guayana". I took the the http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Orinico_ciudad_bilivar_venezuela.jpg photo' a couple of years ago (sorry about the spelling mistake in the filename)- the original first bridge over the river was at Ciudad Bolívar, and as you can see by the photo' , the river really does narrow at this point. I can't be sure about this, but I'd GUESS that ocean-going ships can get as far as Ciudad Bolívar. (The two cities are fairly close, - about an hour or so by car, if I remember rightly)Wikityke 22:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

Trivia about the Orinoco River may (but probably doesn't) belong in this article; however, trivia that is incidental to the river belongs in the article where it is central, with a link to the Orinono. An example of this is music about places. The song or album should link to the place, not vice versa. Hence, mention of Enya's song Orinoco Flow does not belong in this article. --Bejnar 23:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the song Orinoco River does belong to this article's trivia's section. Trivia is defined on Wikipedia as "unimportant (or "trivial") items, especially of information", both of which actually fit here. I think many readers including myself (and the previous contributors of the same whom you've edited out) feel that this piece of information is relevant and informative to other readers. Further upon reading this talk page, I have reason to believe that it is only your personal opinion that this information does not belong here in this article, which essentially does not mandate its removal. Please let other users be the judge of it too and don't let one personal opinion stand in the way of contributions which can make wikipedia better. --supersan 11:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Sure, I want the opinions of others. That is why I put this topic on the talk page. Please state the relevance of Enya's song to the article. How does her song enlarge our understanding of the Orinoco River? --Bejnar 07:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, but before i answer this question you have to please bear in mind that Trivia by definition is a place to hold "unimportant (or "trivial") items. Items of trivia do not help you understand the subject because that is what the main article is for. Think of it as a footnote for uncommon information. Regarding this subject in particular, trivia about orinoco would be a tour guide telling you about the river, who happens to mention in between that "do you know which bamd had a #1 hit uk song about this river in the 90s?" or "you know this river was filmed in the enya's song about the same!", etc. Can you not see that happening? It is interesting information for many readers, may not be to you, but many would be happy to click to the other article to learn and mention such stuff to many others too. Superasn 11:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Hi, I checked the pages but could not find any items of conflicts because neither is this fact "made up" nor "irrelevant" as you think it may be. Also just curious but did you even read my above reply before posting yours become you're asking the same question i replied to already?? Lastly, can you answer to yourself one more question after which feel free to remove this trivia because this is my last reply wrt this topic anyway. Do you see programmes like Who wants to be a millionaire or any school quizzes? Its too bad you cannot see them asking questions about two topics that may not have a seamless link to each other (incl. items that do not "enlarge" your knowledge of something but are good to know or are nice fun facts to share anyway). 122.162.135.103 04:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Two answers: (1) Yes, I read your reply, and I did not see that it answered the question. It did says that "it might be interesting", but it did not say how, nor did it relate it to the river. I gathered that hearing the fact would be fun. (2) What you are talking about is social interaction, having a conversation, while to quote Wikipedia:Five pillars, "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia ... Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Wikipedia is not a trivia collection." --Bejnar 00:32, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Orinoco Flow's song maybe is a trivial fact on this article, however it is a very important example of how the Orinoco River has always interested scientists, artists and writers from the whole world. --Fev 02:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC). Therefore, I think Bejnar is wrong and should respect this trivial reference in the article. Thank you. --Fev 02:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
The song Orinoco Flow by Irish singer Enya is often mistakingly thought to be named after the Orinoco, but in fact it was named after the studio in which it was recorded. How does this show "how the Orinoco River has always interested scientists, artists and writers"? Wouldn't a trivial reference to how the Orinoco Studio was named be the appropriate one, assuming, arguendo, that that type of trivia belongs here. --Bejnar 16:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
My friend Bejnar: You are wright. However, the name of the London Orinoco Studio was named after the Orinoco river. Besides this fact, the video clip by Enya shows an ancient boat (like the ones used by salesmen that discovered the Orinoco River beginning the 16th century) and it is undenyable that this is not to make a reference to the London Studio. Neither the named studio could be joined to the word "flow", unless I don't know any English. --Fev 00:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC). And, how is it possible to say "sail away" from the Studio?. Is this Studio by the Thames River?. My humble opinion is that the Orinoco Flow song maybe trivial in this article, but brigs about some themes much less trivial and this fact is excellent. --Fev 00:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jules Verne

His novel on the Orinoco is an important reference that should be included here. It includes some interesting historic and scientific information from books written by Boussingault. I think there are some editios of these books in english. It would be useful to change or improve this references. --Fev 02:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

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