Talk:Organized crime
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The following comments were in the Organized crime article:
- explain how and why criminal organizations appear, why people join them, how government and other organizations attempt to fight them
- explain the influences of organized crime on politics
Dori 03:30, 4 Aug 2003 (UTC)
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[edit] Legitimacy
"There are at times little distinction between 'legitimate' organizations and organized crime. For instance, corrupt businesses or non-democratic governments often bear strong resemblance to organized crime. Indeed, some have theorized that states are created from organized crime."
Not that I agree at all, but that is a good one.
"Organized crime distinguishes itself from other non-governmental organizations, through its ability to provide its own protection. A legitimate business relies on a government to enforce its contracts, while organized crime must rely only upon itself. When such institutions gain legitimacy they become governments."
Separation of powers? That's all?67.120.107.11 00:09, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Organized crime as the progenitors of government
I really need a cite for this remark:
Indeed, some have theorized that states are created from organized crime.
It seems to me that states by definition must precede the existence of crime organizations. Crime is a social construct; what makes an act criminal is the prohibition of that act by the society in which it occurs. A temple prostitute in the ancient Middle East was not a criminal, nor is a worker at a legal Nevada brothel; a seller of alcohol is not a criminal where I live, but may be in a dry county. Given that law must exist for crime to exist, and that law, in this sense, is the creature of a state, it is not possible that states evolved from organized crime. Rather, organized crime is an encroachment on the state's monopoly on the use of force.
- Of course then you have to define "state" in order to define "crime." There really seems no difference between enforcement of the state and activities of organized crime. The actions of so-called democratic legal systems, which are based not on the will of the majority but rather the whims of those with law degrees, are often similar in nature to what usually gets termed organized crime: whether I pay a hitman to get revenge with a bullet, or pay a lawyer to get revenge via a judge, the result is still an attack.24.64.223.203 04:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WikiProject
- WikiProject Organized crime has been proposed - see link for more information.
[edit] Internet Crime Syndicates
Is there a cite for this? If it's been going on for a decade, it seems like it would be easier than it currently is to find information about this group. --Mrsmalkav 04:41, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] I think the involvement of governments in orgaized crime should be mentioned
This article really opens up some of the realities of the close link btween governments and criminal activity.
The War in Afghanistan: Drugs, Money Laundering and the Banking System http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NAZ20061017&articleId=3516
[edit] Clean up Criminal Organization; and merge into Organized Crime
I stumbled across the entry for criminal organization and believe that it needs to be cleaned up, written from a more neutral point of view (though I admit it's not overly opinionated either), and also requires more citations to some of the statements that are made (i.e. American political rhetoric).
The section could be merged into the organized crime wikipedia entry by elaborating on the term's usage in today's 24-hour news cycle by politicians and celebrities alike. The pop culture aspect.
I hope all that makes sense. Look forward to hearing what everyone else has to say.
-Brian (Bsheppard 11:34, 14 November 2006 (UTC))
- Support: the merge is simply logic.--Giovanni Giove 14:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, merge. 12.72.30.121 20:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I support the merger. Organized crime or criminal organization. Same thing, except the former is the more weighty term. ~ Rollo44 07:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
