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[edit] You forgot the third option...

"I didn't remove them as I figured I would get yelled at or Calton would do it for me...."

You seem to have forgotten that there's a third option. If you make a mistake – even in good faith – you can acknowledge it and apologize. There seems to be a dearth of that going on in this whole mess. If you're going to stay away from Calton entirely, though, it's probably for the best. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your note, Orange.
Just leave the guy alone. There's no reason for you to communicate with him, as you don't work on the same articles. There's no reason for you to leave warnings on his talk page, and there's no reason you can't stay on separate sides of the encyclopedia. I appreciate your efforts to build the encyclopedia, and hope you will continue to do so. I know you have apologized for your earlier actions, but your continuing insistence to leave notes on user:Calton's talk page only disturbs the peace. Please just go back to editing and forget this grudge. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester 20:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Orange. It would really be better not to reply to Calton's posts anywhere. This really wasn't necessary, and is just keeping the dispute alive. If Calton is behaving properly, your accusations shouldn't be made, and if he's behaving badly, they're not needed. Honestly, I'll see these things myself. Even if he can't refrain from having the last word, you should try to. Thanks. Musical Linguist 04:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question for ya

Hey, I was wondering why some of the headers on pages are changed to lowercase. Like on the WFAX page, you switched ==External '''L'''inks== to ==External '''l'''inks==. I normally capitalize the first letter of each word. I don't mind some of the words being all lowercase, just always confused me. Rock on....SVRTVDude (Yell - Toil) 22:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi there Orange,
WP:MOS#Sections_and_headings explains this in some detail: In a heading, capitalize only the first letter of the first word and the first letter of any proper nouns, and leave all of the other letters in lowercase. Example: "Rules and regulations", not "Rules and Regulations". I'm using WP:AWB, and it fixes these to the standard Wikipedia uses automatically. It just helps if the encyclopedia has one standard "look" that everyone follows, so that it doesn't look like 1000 different people wrote the article (or at least reduces that appearance). Happy editing, :) Firsfron of Ronchester 23:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Diluting the RFC

Please stop adding a new diff to the RFC every time Calton says anything. They're diluting the RFC, since they're not very good examples -- they perhaps seem more egregious to you because Calton still inherently gets your adrenaline going. I've had to make a note that I don't endorse your recent diffs as part of the statement of the RFC.

Relax. Take his page off your watchlist. There are lots of things to deal with on WP that aren't Calton.

rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 18:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anon ips

Hi, thanks for your note. I looked at the contribs, and to me this [1] seemed like a formatting experiment rather than vandalism; also the user was inactive when I came across the report at WP:AIV. If the anon ip is inactive by the time I see a report, I'm usually cautious about blocking unless they have done something really extreme, because most of the time the block will just hit the next person at that address rather than the vandal. I can't speak for the other ips you mention but I will keep on the lookout. Best, Kaisershatner 18:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Media Question

There are some of Clear Channel radio stations that are now under "BT Triple Crown Merger Co." (a private company that is pretty much still Clear Channel), should I put the merger company name in small italics under Clear Channel or just put Clear Channel and leave it at that? - SVRTVDude (Yell - Toil) 03:19, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Orange,
Sorry, I'm sort of clueless about this. I really only deal with TV stations. Perhaps you could ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio? (They're a similar group, but may have slightly different guidelines, and I don't want to steer you in the wrong direction)... Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester 03:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the award! That's very kind of you. My talk page is always open if you need editing help. And if I'm not on, there's always Help:Contents, where friendly folks can help with questions 24/7. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester 03:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] em..

I would like to see ArbCom reverse the WP:CN ruling and allow Gordon to post one post per day with a 500 word minimum (that should make everyone happy) on any Schiavo-related page or talk page.

Minimum? Maximum right? --Fredrick day 09:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Per this admin's request, I am notifying you of WP:RFAR action

Per this admin's request, I am notifying you of WP:RFAR action.

Even though I am not seeking the action against you, nonethheless, you are a party, and rules require that I notify you. Observe:

Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#GordonWatts

--GordonWatts 07:41, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Re: Media pages

Thanks. I'll definitely remember that. Academic Challenger 02:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks, I really appreciate your help

It's so frustrating to me that people would do something that immature in the name of a stupid rivalry.

[edit] Ahh, good pointer

I'm still kind of learning my way around, thanks for the guidance. Rschuyler 21:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Question

IDK really, i agree in that it makes no sense. I caught it because the user who does it also adds stubs to the articles when they are clearly not stubs, the user has a history, so i just ignore the changes and revert it. BTW i am a big fan of your sister site. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 21:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah the flu i know about that, right at the moment, well no rush. As for the user, he is easy to point out, does a lot of editing on the stations is in the mis-Atlantic region, just look for the stubs, you can go thew their edit history to see what i am talking about, he pretty much gets reverted all the time. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 21:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thanks --Boothy443 | trácht ar 21:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{prod}} tag on User:Product entertainment network

I've removed the PROD tag. There were several problems with the placement of this tag. First, the user page was not only blank, but Orangemonster2k1 (aka SVRTVDude) originally created the page in order to place a speedy-delete tag on it. Second, the tag was removed by Product entertainment network, and as per WP:PROD, should not be replaced once removed.

Please do not replace the tag. —Doug Bell talk 23:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Boston TV station article vandals

It seems that same vandal may be striking via multiple computers: a recent hit to WHDH-TV(detected and reverted by another respectable user)turned up an IP of 68.162.247.229 , pottentially the fifth IP linked to this vandal(besides ones you already mentioned on my talk page). I've almost had the urge to put sockpuppet tags on the empty user pages, but I want to use one that includes mention of meatpuppet as I'm not ruling that out... Ranma9617 07:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/68.162.247.229

"Dynamically assigned" means that every time the DSL modem is switched off/on, it gets an new IP from the ISP's pool of IPs--in this case, that IP could get assigned to any Verizon DSL customer in the Boston area. Blocks to this kind of IP have to be kept short, because there's a possibility that an IP blocked to stop one user will get reassigned to another user, who's then prevented from editing through no fault of his/her own. See WP:BLOCK#Guide_to_blocking_times for more details. I don't think Verizon will be interested in helping with this situation, it's pretty small potatoes. If you get a bunch of vandalism from a single IP, you can give the appropriate series of warnings and then report them to WP:AIV. If it gets really bad, it will probably take a long time for someone to get to the SSP case, so you might want to post to WP:ANI about the problem. --Akhilleus (talk) 00:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Messages on Talk Pages

I know; it's just that I've asked this person the same question before and he simply removed it without offering me a reply, though I will say I might have been a bit abrubt with my asking. Still, I do need an answer from him; I looked at the history of a page I came across and I noticed he changed the name of a page to something that could be incorrect and I asked him to see if he got said info from a source or not. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 02:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

It's fine; the page in question has experienced quite a few moves, some of which have changed the casing, so I might accidentally provide you with a redirect but here it is: Chuck Up The Deuce. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 02:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. I think the person already moved it back to "Chunk" anyways. Thanks again. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 21:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Also, thanks for the references; this should prevent any nay-sayers from moving the article again. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 21:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] wymt

Members of Production are being deleted from the page on a regular bases without reason Both Chad Hurt and Devin J. Combs are both active members of the wymt production staff and have been removed multiple times for no obvious reason, I was hoping you could do something to stop this constant vandalism.

Devin J. Combs - wymt

[edit] WYMT-TV

I've put the page on semi-protection for the next few days. Michael 06:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. If you need anymore help, feel free to contact me. Michael 06:42, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
That's a good idea. The username looks a little suspicious. Michael 07:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

in the time it took me to type the previous comment 2 members of production (chad Hurt and Devin J. Combs) were deleted again

I Dont know if this is a technical issue or just a prankster but I would just as soon all the production staff be removed from the article than have 2 important and valuable members of the team go without credit

[edit] Re: wymt

thank you for your help. I believe the trouble can be attributed to some in house pranking, or maybe someone just has a grudge. I believe as a struggling station we should keep all articles related to our station as Accurate as possible and we have no reason to be ashamed of our history in East Ky or of any employees.

I will keep you guys updated on any changes to our production staff. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nefarious Prince (talk • contribs) 07:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Please sign my autograph page

Please sign my autograph page. A•N•N•Afoxlover PLEASE SIGN, ANYONE!!! 14:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Thank you for the Barnstar, SVRTVDude. It's very much appreciated. Michael 20:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Enjoy the gift I sent ya!

Trampton has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Trampton 09:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Logos

The logo's do not add critically to discussing the page on which they are used and as such don't qualify as Fair Use (which all of these images are). Per WP:FU we should avoiding those images wherever possible. If these were allowed, all uses of {{Infobox Television}} would have long ago had these images next to the network, but that was stopped by FUC editors long before it became popular enough. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 01:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Fair_use#using_company_logo.27s_in_infoboxes_for_Television_stations Let's see who's right. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 02:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Were you responding to me or to TheDJ on WT:TVS? Your response was below my comment, but I wasn't proposing doing anything that you'd have to fight me on. dhett (talk • contribs) 03:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC) Never mind; you moved your comment. Thanks. dhett (talk • contribs) 03:57, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Dear Orangemonster. Please read WP:Fair Use. An image itself is never Fair Use. A usage of a copyrighted image MAY be a Fair Use. As such the usage of the copyrighted image in some context might be allowed by law, and not in another case. The problem with the Fair Use law, is that it is very vaguely defined (on purpose to protect the small time citizen). Because wikipedia doesn't want to be vulnerable to lawsuits it has defined some extra policies on what is and is not a proper Fair Use of images in wikipedia. Most primarily this includes "avoid using copyrighted images whenever possible". Using images as decorative visual cue's for wikilinks are not among the allowed cases. Dicussing the company or organization or whatever and illustrating that company with it's logo is an allowed case. I hope I have answered your questions now, but I haven't, i'm happy to provide you with more explanation of this problem. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 05:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
You have every right to think that. But that doesn't make it Wikipedia policy. If you want to change wikipedia policy, then discuss this on Wikipedia talk:Fair use or on the Wikipedia:Village Pump. The TV stations are not the primary subjects related with the logo of ABC and as such using the ABC logo on those pages is currently not allowed. The TV station logo's primary subject is the TV station article and as such it's allowed there. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 05:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
No. Ownership of a company is just as little a primary subject to the ABC logo as an affiliation with ABC is not a primary subject with the logo. WABC-TV is not the primary topic that is related to the ABC logo. The ABC article is. For Image:WABCTVABC7.png the primary subject that is related to the logo is WABC-TV. To illustrate: Another usage of the ABC logo that would qualify as Fair Use, is the article of the designer of the ABC-logo. The article of the designer of the logo is a primary subject related to the logo. The company that caries the logo is a primary subject. Companies that are owned/affiliated by the ABC company are not. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 06:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually on stations that don't carry local branding, but only the main company logo, i'm actually leaving the icons as the station icons. I'm not even sure if THAT is allowed, but i'm giving those pages some more slack. Also remember that it might be ok for ABC to do that, but they are not doing it. We are. We need written permission by them that it's ok to use it like that. And then there is the matter of consistency. Even if one company allowed it, the Wikipedia editors should not actually use it as long as 95% of the companies would NOT allow it. It would be a stylistic problem to have one or a few companies carrying a logo and others not. The policy is simply to use copyrighted images (violating copyright law) as little as possible with a Fair Use rationale (per fair use law allowing to use copyrighted images in limited circumstances). --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 06:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I have explained this as far as I can I think, and I also really need to go for today. If you want to change policy you can go to the Wikipedia:Village Pump. It's not up to me. I just enforced the wikipedia policy where I saw that it wasn't being followed. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 06:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sky 12

I'm honestly not sure HOW we should proceed... it SHOULD be added in there, but without citation, I just don't think we can. Did any newspapers in the area mention it? (I just think it's very bizarre that a station news helicopter would have crashed, yet NOBODY reported on it.) Amnewsboy 23:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TV Reversals

You've written:

Please watch on some of your edits and reverts as you are deleting some accurate information.

I apologise for the reverts, but we have a person named "BenH" who's deliberately adding false and superfluous information to many Tv station articles. I'll be more careful, but when you add material, take a second look at the articles to see if others added info similar to BenH's.

P.S. -- You can see BenH's rap sheet here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_BenH

-- azumanga 04:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WYMT-TV et al

I had thought the consensus was, in general, that we don't list off-air staff (because of WP:N, WP:NOT the Yellow Pages, and WP:LC). Firsfron and I recently discussed a similar issue with Kida97 in regards to KAMR. My opinion is that it clogs up the article... I mean, I've seen listings for sales staff, secretaries, and a janitor listed. But... if there isn't a consensus opinion, then absolutely, we need to talk about it. Amnewsboy 08:06, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WWBT/Sky 12

OK! :) Amnewsboy 11:46, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unblocked

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Block expired and autoblock removed. I see you've already figured that out.

Request handled by: - auburnpilot talk 09:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WVEC

Dr. Duane was at WVEC, as noted here... [2]. I don't know about Jane Gardner being at WVEC, I don't have anything on tape of her on WTKR in the 80s, and I don't have any WVEC on tape from the 80s so I'm not sure. I've never heard of Kathy Barnstorff (of course, I wasn't even alive then). Ntropolis 12:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Autoblocks

Sometimes the autoblocks do stay after the block is scheduled to expire, unfortunately. I see AuburnPilot already got it, but if you're hit with an autoblock and don't have a regular block on (or it should have expired), just follow the directions to have it lifted. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:12, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Civility

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Metros232 02:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your question

If someone is disruptively reverting, do try to talk to them and engage them in discussion. You also may wish to try some dispute resolution steps, like requesting a third opinion or informal mediator. However, if someone is just reverting away and is unwilling to engage in discussion, that will eventually be considered disruption and something will be done about it. 3RR means that it is never acceptable to make content reverts more than three times in 24 hours. It does not, as some people believe, mean it is always acceptable to revert if it's less than that. Generally, if you find yourself reverting (or being reverted) even once, there's obviously an issue, and it's better at that point to stop and talk-further reverts aren't going to solve the issue. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:10, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User talk:DDRG

At first, I found the comment you left at User talk:DDRG confusing, but a quick search on your talkpage seems to indicate you have previously been wiki-stalking User:Calton. Please do not lend your support to disruptive users just to continue any such harassment (which goes against Wikipedia policies). Thank you. Mackan 19:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WDBJ

I do think that some of the history needs to be merged with the intro ... that way, it won't look so much like the station history page. Tweaking it now ...

Also, I was wondering--when did Times-World (WDBJ's original owner) merge with Landmark? I have a hunch that may have been why WDBJ had to be sold off--looking at WDBJ's coverage map, there's a slight overlap with Greensboro's WFMY. Blueboy96 20:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Just got confirmation here. Blueboy96 21:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

It definitely looks like the signal overlap was the main factor. Looking at WDBJ's coverage map, it provides at least grade B coverage to portions of the Triad. Knowing how the FCC operated at the time, it's pretty much a certainty that the FCC didn't allow Landmark to keep WDBJ as a result.Blueboy96 22:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of User:Orangemonster2k1/WJLA

A tag has been placed on User:Orangemonster2k1/WJLA, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

it already exists at {{User:UBX/WJLA-TV}}

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet very basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. PatricknoddyTALK (reply here)|HISTORY 13:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WWOW-AM

Sorry, but I felt that WWOW-AM was a little too far away to be considered part of WikiProject Erie as it is Conneaut, OH. By removing the template (as it was the only thing on the page) it may have looked like it was blanked-out as an act of vandalism, but that was not my intention. Dtbohrer 20:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

The best template to put on it is probably WikiProject Radio Stations. Youngstown is probably too far away. Dtbohrer 21:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: WVII-TV

I remember hearing about this article. I think a summary of the incident should be noted in the station's history section. I do not think this is a "controversy" but it should still be mentioned in the article. This is sort of the same situation when WVII anounced the 10 and 11 PM newscasts were going to be taped. That also recieved media coverage. Samuel 23:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

That works and it would be great if you can cite the article and give it a web address where the article can be found. Samuel 02:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Calton and 3RR

Please stop making 3RR reports until you're entirely clear on the meaning and application of WP:3RR. There must be four reverts within a single 24-hour period for the rule to be violated.

I also caution you that continuing to file inaccurate 3RR reports, or persisting in your edit war at Stoopid Monkey may result in a suspension of your editing privileges. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 02:52, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Please review WP:3RR. Again. The fourth revert that you listed came more than twenty-four hours after the first; the 3RR requires that the fourth revert fall inside 24 hours. Stop edit warring, file an article request for comment, or find some other way to peacefully resolve this matter. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 02:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


It is not a violation of the 3RR; the time constraint is an integral part of the rule. I note, as well, that you have clearly violated the 3RR on this article. I exhort you as vehemently as possible to find a peaceful resolution. Continuing to attempt to have the other party blocked is not an acceptable strategy for dispute resolution. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 03:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
(correction: the original edit appears not to be precisely a revert; there may not have been a 3RR violation there.) TenOfAllTrades(talk) 03:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cheer Up

Hi, Orange Monster. Re your discussion on TenOfAllTrades' page and the reference to a certain third party:

Cheer up. The number of people whom I can't help noticing have had unpleasant run-ins with the user in question is large. Is it possible they are all out of step? I rather doubt it. He has a lot to say about knowledge of the rules and policies, but he seems to be blind to the fact that his seemingly contemptuous approach to those who break his understanding of the rules, itself breaks some unwritten rules of decent, civilised behaviour. His poor reputation is of his own making. JackofOz 06:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
No worries. He irks everybody up the wrong way sooner or later. It's all about him, not about anybody else. Take care.  :) JackofOz 10:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
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