Talk:Orange Catholic Bible

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[edit] Bahá'í

Why do you keep reverting from the correct spelling of the word Bahá'í. There are accent's and an aposrophe in the correct spelling. Also the correct name of the religion is Bahá'í Faith. -- Jeff3000 03:54, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I understand why the changes to Bahais, since that's the way it was in the book, but just because it was spelled incorrectly in the book, doesn't mean it has to be spelled incorrectly here. -- Jeff3000 04:07, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] No original research please

I've re-deleted the list of identifications. These section said themselves, that they are speculative and non-canonical. If there is a part which can be saved, please state explicit references within the novels. --Pjacobi 12:05, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What's wrong with original research?

The names of all the books of the OCB and all the faiths which are responsible for it are all straight out of The Dune Encyclopedia and the various books of the Dune series. If you have a problem with the identifications, which are not canonical, please go through those sections line by line and delete those rather than slashing out all the canonical information with them.Hiergargo 14:36, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Original research is excluded by explicit Wikipedia policy: Wikipedia:No original research. So, if it is not in the novels, it cannot become part of an encyclopedic article.
References must be given for adding stuff, not for deleting, so I'll remove those sections again completely.
Pjacobi 14:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] exodus chapter references

Someone says that that the chapter references from Hebrew bible may not hold true for OCB. I would argue that this is a none sequiter. This part of the article says where the quotes came from and what they were based on. In this context accurate chapters and verses should be fully acceptable as they do not refer to the OCB.

[edit] Why no original chapter references

The chapter references that are given are ones taken from the Dune series, not ones referring back to where the source materials for the OCB came from. Adding references back to the original source material would therefore be confusing. If one wanted to make reference back to the original source material, one should make it clear that the chapter and verse references are those of the Hebrew Bible/New Testament/Qur’an/etc. and not those of the OCB.

I can see your point. It is useful however to point to the source material of quotes where possible, things like "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" are taken directly from Exodus. Perhaps simply a (derived from: (book/verse) format would be acceptable? Lostsocks 17:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I could go for that. Hiergargo 21:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blog link?

Is an unofficial (e.g., non-author) blog acceptable as an external link?

Per item #11 of Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided:

11. Links to blogs and personal webpages, except those written by a recognized authority.

(I marked removal of this from the article as a minor edit by mistake.) --SandChigger 17:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Buddislamic

I removed the original links to Buddhism and (Sunni) Islam from this word a while back because

  1. I think this sort of double link from parts of a single word is confusing, and
  2. Buddislam is a fictional religion just like Mahayana Christianity and Zensunni Catholicism (which I also don't think should have separate links to their foundational components)

Is there an article on Dune religions? If not, why don't we create one and link these terms in Dune articles to it? Links to the real/original religions can go from there.

What think ye? --SandChigger 06:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Orange Catholic Bible website link

How is the site The Orange Catholic Bible Wiki relevant to this article?

The Orange Catholic Bible is a fictitious work. The website in question is concerned only with an attempt by fans to create an actual text:

  • The purpose of this site is to wiki up a draft of the Orange Catholic Bible as talked about in the Dune series of books.

It is therefore fanfic and non-authoritative. Please discuss before re-adding the link. --SandChigger 01:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

If you take a look at the Dune Wiki for example you have tons of fan sites including muds and such which are external links to groups where are fanfic and non-authorative.
I would question how this is less relevant than the band link right above it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Orsa impetus (talk • contribs) 01:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC).
The Dune wiki has its own rules; fan sites here are highly debated, especially lately on the Dune universe and Dune (novel) pages. This is an excyclopedia, a source for information related to a topic, not a compendium of every Dune reference on the internet. Data here should be attributed to a canon source or notable derivative work; this OC Bible site is like me writing a 100-page blog about Feyd-Rautha's childhood. As far as the band, you're probably right that they're not notable enough, but if they actually have an album, they should stay. TAnthony 02:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
If a band is valid enough because they have an album, does that mean that the site link would be more valid if there was actually an OCB draft at that address? Is your beef with the fact that the work is a work that is just starting out? I mean, this is just science fiction. I thought that an attempt to flesh out what this page pertains to would be particularly relevant to creating some real depth to this topic. That is why it is an external link, not an attempt to construct the thing using Wikipedia. I acknowledge that the link is "bad" because of linking to an open wiki that is not stable, without a number of authors. Having said that the link above it is "bad" because it is used as a promotion tool. I don't really care if my link not included, but if you are going to throw the rulebook at me then I would protest the first link as well Orsa impetus 07:07, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


This is why talk pages exist, so we can debate the nebulous rules, LOL! In my opinion, the fact that the band took the name "Orange Catholic Bible" is the only potentially notable thing about them in this context. The band having an album, some mention in the mainstream press and maybe a following would make them reasonably notable, which would validate their inclusion in this article. However, I just looked at the link destination, did some searches, and they're probably some high school kids in the garage — not worthy of their own Wikipedia article and not worthy of inclusion here (I'm harsh!) So I'm taking it out.
The basic issue with the OCB wiki is that it's fan fiction, not that it's new or unstable or whatever. Some similar links do appear here and are kept for one reason or another, however, usually because of their notability in the mainstream. So at the point when the OCB wiki is built up and more known perhaps the Dune police will let it stay! LOL It's really not an attack on you or the wiki, there just have to be limitations or everybody with a site would list it on wikipedia. TAnthony 16:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Well when the site has some content and is a bit more relevant the http://ocb.dndb.org link will be going back in there. And there is nothing in the rules that can prevent it once it is a stable wiki with multiple contributors. Until then. Orsa impetus 23:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Having "some content" and multiple contributors would not necessarily make it notable. You may achieve something interesting, but it will NEVER be authoritative because it's fan fiction. One thing you need to do is rewrite and correct that first page. --SandChigger 10:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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