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[edit] Sex for Sam
I moved the XM info out of the Sex for Sam section, into the XM section. --Bill.matthews 00:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- Good change. Definitely better than the immediate previous edit that said they were "unable" to stay just on satellite. When will people understand that Wikipedia should not be the forum to fight battles? Stoneice02 04:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Under Repercussions in this section, the final point mentions a Flornce and Harper who are not mentioned anywhere else in the piece. I would suggest (as someone who doesn't have any prioir knoledge of Opie & Anthony, and was using this to find out more about them, that this is either expanded on (who are Florence & Harper; how did she die; why was he given community service) or removed. Cheers
[edit] External Links
I noticed wowfans got removed. Not sure why, it seems to be a valid fan site. I know there might be some folks that favor one fansite or another, but this article doesn't seem to be the place to wage that war. --Bill.matthews 18:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- I believe that this section of WP:EL is relevent: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate, marking the link as such. Fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included. According to this, one major fansite is enough. Naconkantari 18:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- I agree having four or five fansites may be too much. But I don't think we've ever come to a consensus as to which should be the one major fansite? And I don't think it's appropriate to arbitrarily remove this one site as opposed to others. If the community agrees to only list one fansite, we could discuss it here. But until then I would suggest the link remains. --Bill.matthews 18:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- You're right that one is not enough. I think THREE - Wackbag, FBA, and Dot Net.--XMBRIAN 19:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- The key word is arbitrarily. I would vote to keep all three since they are all mentioned on the show as much as, if not more than, the official sites. Stoneice02 19:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- It appears SpreadtheOnAVirus.com is dead? So that could come off? That would leave us with Wackbag, FBA, DotNet, and possibly Wowfans. I would vote for all four. Personally I don't use any of the four, but they all seem relevant. And if three would be okay, why not four? The Stern article has nine. --Bill.matthews 19:38, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- Wowfans is not mentioned on the show at all.--XMBRIAN 20:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- It is listed on OpieandAnthony.com and i can provide 200 clips of when it was plugged on the show.. most recently as within the last 7 days by BAM
- Wowfans is not mentioned on the show at all.--XMBRIAN 20:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
- It appears SpreadtheOnAVirus.com is dead? So that could come off? That would leave us with Wackbag, FBA, DotNet, and possibly Wowfans. I would vote for all four. Personally I don't use any of the four, but they all seem relevant. And if three would be okay, why not four? The Stern article has nine. --Bill.matthews 19:38, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- The key word is arbitrarily. I would vote to keep all three since they are all mentioned on the show as much as, if not more than, the official sites. Stoneice02 19:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- You're right that one is not enough. I think THREE - Wackbag, FBA, and Dot Net.--XMBRIAN 19:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- I agree having four or five fansites may be too much. But I don't think we've ever come to a consensus as to which should be the one major fansite? And I don't think it's appropriate to arbitrarily remove this one site as opposed to others. If the community agrees to only list one fansite, we could discuss it here. But until then I would suggest the link remains. --Bill.matthews 18:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- Just a random thought I just had. Why should there be a link on Wikipedia to a web site that you MUST register at in order to view anything? Seems pretty pointless.--XMBRIAN 20:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Archive
I created the next archive. But this is my first time doing it, so please correct me if I missed anything. --Bill.matthews 23:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Incorrect listing of the time the show airs
The airing time of the show is listed as 6AM-11AM, the show is consistantly on til after 11AM, Ron & Fez come on at 12PM EST meaning that 6AM-12PM is dedicated to the show. 208.252.49.130 19:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)badfishstan
- Good point. XM lists the show from 6-Noon as well, so I made the change (as well as some other cleanup of that section). --Bill.matthews 22:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Getting long
This article is getting rather long. I think the stories mentioned or recurring bits could be shortened. That info, while interesting, is not worthy of being in an encyclopedic article. --Bill.matthews 15:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. Stoneice02 06:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Departure of Ben
I am a faithful O&A listener, but I don't do the message board thing so I must have missed something on the show. What happened to Ben? I had no idea he was gone until I read the last edit. Stoneice02
- I am not sure, they still reference him, but he left, I assume for another job. Anybody with solid information could add it to the article --Bill.matthews 20:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
No official reason was ever given by the show, but they did wish him well.--XMBRIAN 23:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Apparently he lied about not spitting on the Stern Fan (who Master Po took down). They were going to suspend him & he quit.
[edit] Pests killing each other and themselves via paltalk
Add a section on this important part of the show —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.184.13.120 (talk • contribs) 03:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Rich Vos
Why does it say that Jim Norton brought Vos onto O&A? Vos started appearing LONG before Norton was ever on the show. Vos started going on in early 1999 (March). Norton was first on in Fall 1999. Vos was originally brought onto the show by "Gorilla Boy" Jeff Norris.--67.83.160.198 05:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Staff & Characters
Who deleted half of the 'Staff' and 'Characters'? can someone restore?
I fixed the 'Characters', someone already fixed 'Staff'
[edit] Number One in Afternoon Drive while on WNEW
"In June 1998, O&A were back on New York station WNEW-FM, where they became the number one afternoon drive show in New York by 2000."
The above line from the article seems to be poorly sourced. I'm sure they weren't number one overall in the afternoon drive in the NYC market. I'm fairly sure that the all news radio stations held the number one and two positions in those years. Maybe they were number one in certain demos but either way, the assertion that they were number one needs to be sourced or removed.
This seems to be the problem with the entire article, it's either poorly sourced or it is sprinkled with POV. How come there is not a Reference section at the bottom for sourcing? Buster 20:44, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- It's because the article is getting dangerously close to WP:CRUFT LilDice 00:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- I tend to agree. This entry reads like an offshoot of a fan forum rather than an encyclopedia article. And in reading the past Talk archives I'm guessing any attempts to make it conform with Wikipedia standards will be met with stiff resistance. Buster 17:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- You're correct, don't try to correct anything unless you're ready for edit wars and a long mediation process. LilDice 20:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- I agree the citation tags should eb ther efor the claims about ratings. But I think adding citation tags for every "classic O&A bits" is unrealitic. For example, on a TV show summary (or episode summary) you wouldn't expect every statement to include a citation? Or for radio show articles, you'll typically find event summaries, and I doubt each one needs a citation?. I added two citations for the WAAF-FM incidents, and left the citation statements for the rating claims, but I took out the 12 fact tags for the Classic O&A moments. --Bill.matthews 14:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- I can't agree and I really hate to keep reminding people that this is an encyclopedia, not an episode guide nor a summary of radio episodes. I don't object to the "classic O&A bits" being there at all but I do actually I expect every statement of fact to include a citation or refer to a reference section in the article (which is another problem that needs to be addressed- the current section labeled "References" needs to be re-labeled and a "References" section needs to be created at the bottom of the page for verification of the articles facts). When you say " for radio show articles, you'll typically find event summaries", are you referring to radio articles on Wikipedia or on other web sites? Buster 15:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- I think episode guides are encylopedic, take a look at the category "Episodes by television series". Certainly every epsiode does not need citations to back up the information given? And as for radio shows, I am referring to on Wikipedia. Just browse through and you'll find that show "bits" are not sourced. Of course each show bit/reference/etc will not have a news source. Would you expect the Don Imus or The Howard Stern Show articles to include citations for each fact listed about the show? I don't disagree they should be there for controversal statements, like ratings. --Bill.matthews 16:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- I can't agree and I really hate to keep reminding people that this is an encyclopedia, not an episode guide nor a summary of radio episodes. I don't object to the "classic O&A bits" being there at all but I do actually I expect every statement of fact to include a citation or refer to a reference section in the article (which is another problem that needs to be addressed- the current section labeled "References" needs to be re-labeled and a "References" section needs to be created at the bottom of the page for verification of the articles facts). When you say " for radio show articles, you'll typically find event summaries", are you referring to radio articles on Wikipedia or on other web sites? Buster 15:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- I agree the citation tags should eb ther efor the claims about ratings. But I think adding citation tags for every "classic O&A bits" is unrealitic. For example, on a TV show summary (or episode summary) you wouldn't expect every statement to include a citation? Or for radio show articles, you'll typically find event summaries, and I doubt each one needs a citation?. I added two citations for the WAAF-FM incidents, and left the citation statements for the rating claims, but I took out the 12 fact tags for the Classic O&A moments. --Bill.matthews 14:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- You're correct, don't try to correct anything unless you're ready for edit wars and a long mediation process. LilDice 20:03, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- I tend to agree. This entry reads like an offshoot of a fan forum rather than an encyclopedia article. And in reading the past Talk archives I'm guessing any attempts to make it conform with Wikipedia standards will be met with stiff resistance. Buster 17:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
The citation that was added to validate the claim that O&A were #1 in afternoon drive on WNEW that refers back to a column written by About.com columnist Corey Deitz. Since it's a column, an opinion piece, and the columnist does not say where his fact came from (did he read it in this Wikipedia article on Opie and Anthony?). The cite needs to come from a news report or the like that refers to the aribitrons for afternoon drive for that period. Buster 15:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- Valid point. I changed it to an XM/CBS press release. --Bill.matthews 16:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- That might be a problem too. That press lease may be committing a sin of omission. Doing a little research this morning this is what I've turned up.
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- The following are all the New York market Arbitron ratings for the afternoon I can currently find: 2000 Spring Arbitrons- WNEW 5th; 2000 Summer Arbitrons- WNEW 5th; 2000 Fall Arbitrons- WNEW 3rd; 2001 Fall Arbitrons- WNEW 7th; 2002 Winter Arbitrons- WNEW 10th. These are all from the NY Daily News web site. I have the links.
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- The good news is that I did fine a reference at the NY Daily News web site to an Arbitron rating that says O&A were number one with men 25 to 54 during the Spring 2000 book. This is the sin of omission I'm talking about. XM is saying that O&A were #1 while on WNEW, which was true... except they are leaving out the fact that it was with men 25 to 54. For a press release, that's fine, for an encyclopedia it's not. If the missing Winter 2000 Arbitrons for afternoon drive can be found and it shows that O&A became number in that book then the statement "where they became the number one afternoon drive show in New York by 2000" can be used. Until then the paragraph should be rewritten to reflect the current facts available. Buster 17:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Sounds like you're right. Do you want to suggest rewording? If not I can take a crack at it tomorrow. Could you post the link so I could cite it? --Bill.matthews 17:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Article is way too long
I think some of the shows fans have taken it too far
- Do ya? Ninja Kirby 01:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] PESTGAMING.COM
Stop removing it. it is an official fan site. Ninja Kirby 01:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- Please see the discussion on this page about external links and also WP:EL. Naconkantari 01:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Movies
I think it's time to update the movie section. I added Clockwork Orange and i think Goodfellas is the most notable De'Niro film.
[edit] MELLINDA AKA LOBSTER GIRL SUCKING OFF SPAZZ
Important to have a chapter on this vital part of the show. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.184.13.120 (talk • contribs) 03:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC).
I agree this needs to be talked about. Anthony spells his name Spahz for some reason.
He spells it that way to get around the ban that he imposed on Wackbag to whoever types it the right way on the site.
Somebody needs to post this very important tidbit.
get a grip people--XMBRIAN 01:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Neutrality and Cleanup needed
This article is very repetitive and has obviously had a lot of work done on it by fans. It needs serious cleanup for this reason. It is also questionably neutral. Mentions by friends and enemies of the show, judgments on whether bits were created by one person or another and calls on their quality go too far. The neutrality of this article isn't too bad overall, but there are little slips here and there that need to be ferreted out.
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- ere's what I think should be removed: Enemies of the Show, Recurring Bits, Film References, Radio Friends, "Characters" of the Show (cleanup not deletion), Stories Mentioned. What do you think? LilDice 19:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- I've cleaned up this article substantially. LilDice 14:30, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Too few sources
This is a very long article with very few sources and many POV assertions. For example, who considers certain people to be friends or enemies of the show? Who considers certain bits to be classics? Offhand it looks like 90% of this article is unverifiable. -Will Beback · † · 01:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Recurring Comments
This section seems completly non-notable and doesn't read particularly well. I am considering removing it, thoughts? LilDice 19:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
You people might as well delete this entry altogether. Seems Stern fans and Wiki editors have chopped the hell out of it and have taken a lot of the intriguing information out of it!
- I simply cleaned it up, I do the same to the Stern article. If you want to duplicate all the fan information at your own fan page go for it, but this is an encyclopedia. LilDice 20:03, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
If it was done for the Stern article, it's also an injustice. The two programs are the most popular in radio today. They both openly hate each other. Both have built careers off of being controversial and by attacking their enemies verbally and through their legions of fans. That's not biased. That's simply fact. It isn't fair to leave information like this out to anyone wanting to learn the true story of both of their radio careers. User:BrooklynJ 23:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Stern's show is one of the "the most popular in radio today"? Is he still on the air? I thought he retired.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 161.185.1.100 (talk) 03:35, 1 February 2007 (UTC).
- I'm not sure what you're talking about, I simply culled encyclopedic information. LilDice 11:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Regarding Greg "opie" Hughes, it lists several upstate NY radio stations, at least one should be listed by name. 96.5 WCMF in Rochester, NY home of Brother Wease and the Morning Circus. This part of his early radio history he himself has credited as being the catalyst for his success in this media. Brother Wease (Alan Levin) recently helped Opie ambush Andrew Dice Clay, Opie also refused to allow the station in Rochester that carries the morning show to broadcast it live so it wouldnt compete with Brother Wease.--Jasklo 05:42, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
