Talk:Operation Enduring Freedom - Philippines

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Contents 1 Neutrality of propaganda term 2 Removal of POV flag 3 Casualties 4 clarify? clarity? 5 Allies???

[edit] Neutrality of propaganda term

As "War on terror" obviously is a propaganda term it cannot stay without quotation marks and a comment. Removing NPOV tags is against wikipedia policy. Añoranza 09:01, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I disagree, if you feel the term is propaganda then you need to show that first at war on terror instead of changing every article that mentions the term, because you cannot achieve a concensus on the page of the article itself. However since I do not feel you are doing this in bad faith I will direct you to Wikipedia:Neutral point of view wher you can read on how to use POV tags, what they are specifically and where they are appropriate. --Zer0faults 14:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

As you were already told elsewhere, the appropriateness of a propaganda term in an article can only be discussed in that article. It is an entirely different question whether a propaganda term should be used without quotation marks and comment in an article about something else or whether there should be an article about the term. Añoranza 18:58, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

That would be evident if you were in fact disputing its use here, however you have disputed its use on every article containing its name, please do not misrepresent your intentions. If you feel the term is disputed everywhere then its best handled on the war on terror page. We try to centralize discussions so as to reach the largest group of the community. Thank you --Zer0faults 14:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Zer0faults, marking every article containing the phrase "war on terror" as a POV violation is disruptive and judging by the history of Añoranza's edits, it could be construed as POV in itself. The term is already accepted as canonical by the war on terror article, if there is any disagreement with the term, it should be taken there. Perhaps it might be time for an RFC--Folksong 22:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Removing NPOV tags is a severe violation of wikipedia policy. The "war on terror" article clearly explains that the term is propaganda and uses quotation marks that should not be ommitted in other articles. Añoranza

Clearly you were not using a NPOV tag as the one up there now is the correct format from what you had before, so I am not sure why you would then write the above statement. I am glad you found what is the correct tag is. Can you please post your factual arguements supporting this statement below, perferably numbered style, so other can view your information, present counter arguements and then perhaps we can reach a concensus. --Zer0faults 11:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, where are the sources for this article? - --23prootie

In the inline citations, they are not in cite news and cite web format. Just the external linking system. If you follow the sources and find information after going through them that needs a source, feel free to let me know and I will dig one up. Please note the sections about each group are summarized from those articles so asking for sources would be done on their talk pages. --zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 19:16, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of POV flag

Again, I removed the POV flag from the template includer (Part of War on Terrorism). The flag is in the wrong place; the user who put it there argues that the term War on Terrorism is not a neutral term (the POV flag is already in place in the article concerned). Even if that were the case, it has no bearing on the neutrality of the statement "Part of the War on Terrorism", because it doesn't matter how you term the NATO anti-terror operations: Operation Enduring Freedom IS part of them. This has nothing to do with a personal point-of-view. Putting the flag there in the first place was a logical fallacy on part of the user who did so. Cheers, Something Wicked 21:05, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Casualties

Does anyone know the number of Filipinos who have died/are dying from this event. Why is there only 9 casualties. Based on the local media reports, the number of casualties should have reached at least above a hundred.23prootie 09:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

You should cite your source and change the number appropriately, I was under the impression the operation ended however. --zero faults ^{|sockpuppets|} 20:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] clarify? clarity?

On November 20, 2005, a U.S. soldier accidentally drowned in the Republic of Seychelles while supporting the mission in the Philippines.

Names, other details?

Why Seychelles?

Thank You.

Hopiakuta 14:59, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Allies???

Are the New People's Army and Abu Sayyaf really "allies"? I am just asking because I had not heard that before and it seems kind of strange to me that a large Maoist guerrilla army bent on creating a Communist People's Republic in the Philippines would ally itself with a smaller conservative Islamist guerrilla army bent on creating an Islamic Republic. Can anyone clarify this for me? - Chris Gilmore