Talk:Open front rounded vowel

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It's not analyzed as an [ɶ] in Swedish. This was simply a matter of me misreading my literature and I'm correcting the fault in Swedish phonology as well. This can be confirmed by referencing Fonetikens grunder by Olle Engstrand, professor of phonetics at University of Stockholm, Svenskans fonologi by Claes Garlén and Funktionell svensk grammatik by Maria Bolander. They all describe the sound as a lowered [œ].
If you want to be picky, it's also an allophone of /ø/, since vowel contrast in Swedish is actually considered to be a matter of quantity rather than quality. Both short and long /ø/ are described with the same [œ̞].

Peter ^Isotalo 16:34, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm starting to think that this vowel is just too hard to pronounce to actually be used in natural langauges. Do we have any kind of reference as to its usage? It would be interesting to read up on it. I'm going to see if I can find some kind of detailed vowel charts of the Swedish sound to see where the Swedish linguists have placed it.

Peter ^Isotalo 21:17, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

I remember reading (Ladefoged I believe) that this has only been reported from southern German (Swiss, Bavarian, Austrian?), but that these claims have been disputed. I was the one who put the warning on the IPA page for that reason. (One of those weird IPA letters that doesn't seem to be justified by being confirmed as phonemic before it gets a symbol.) Perhaps really [œ̞], as in Swedish, or else allophonic? I haven't looked closely into this, though.

In SOWL, fig. 9.10 (p 290 in my edition), the Amstetten dialect of Bavarian is shown with four rounded front vowels, paired as [i y], [e ø], [ɛ œ], [æ ɶ]. There is no rounded version of [a], which BTW is clearly central rather than front, and is much lower than [æ, ɶ]. kwami 00:15, 2005 July 28 (UTC)

[edit] Danish

According to this page, it occurs in Danish. Ciacchi 16:52, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

And it seems that Dutch also has it. Could anyone explain it or put it into the article or whatever? Ciacchi 23:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] French Canadian

I am no specialist, but is "veux" pronounced differently in French Canada than peu and boeuf, which I have been taught it was [pø] and [bø]? As a native Québécois speaker, I doubt it. If they do sound the same, than this article contradicts what we find in the ø article. ---Marc

[edit] Vader?

This sound is totally beyond me, but one thing I can gather is that the sound file in no way resembles Darth Vader exhaling. Was that just a joke, or is the sound file wrong?

BRAVO. That comparison sounds completely ridiculous. Breathing noises do not involve vocal cords vibrating, which is necessary to make a vowel. I have erased it pending a good reason to keep it in. --Dupes 03:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)