Talk:Open Orthodoxy

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This article was nominated for deletion on 14 November 2006. The result of the discussion was Merge into Avi Weiss.

[edit] Merge with Avi Weiss

Restored article. IZAK, you are welcome to request a merge per the RfM procedure. Best, --Shirahadasha 09:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

• Hi Shira, let me repost what I wrote to your original correspondnce:

Hi IZAK! I started an Open Orthodoxy article. Given your discussions on disambiguating Orthodox Jewish and Orthodox Christian topics, was wondering if there was any issue with the name. If there is you might want to comment on the article talk page. Best, --Shirahadasha 17:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Shirahadasha: I read the article. It cannot stand alone otherwise it would be deleted as a neologism in violation of Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms, because "Open Orthodoxy" is Weiss's own very recent creation and it does not have any recognition from anyone within the broader world of Orthodoxy, and thus Wikipedia is not the place to publish new ideologies. All the material belongs with the Avi Weiss article and I have redirected and posted it there and made it fit in as it's Weiss's baby, and is not a universal movement in Klal Yisrael. Best wishes. IZAK 06:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC

It looks to me like IZAK performed the merge, and then about 19 hours later, Shirahadasha opened this talk page, to discuss it retroactively, after-the-fact, I suppose. Is that what happened? If so, I don't object, I'm just wondering if I see the sequence of events accurately. Anyway, I like IZAK's reasons for merging the articles here. I don't want that material deleted, as it is a clear explanation of Rabbi Weiss's views. --Keeves 16:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I posted this on the AfD page and I'm reposting here:

Keep. Though it is a fledgling movement in Judaism, it is developing. Yeshivat Chovevei Torah only started ordaining people a few years ago, give it time. I know rabbis from this movement I also know that many Modern Orthodox disparage them and the movement. It is distinct from Modern Orthodoxy and other Jewish movements, and is distinct from its creator, Rabbi Avi Weiss. It deserves its own page. I, by the way, am not part of the Open Orthodoxy movement just so you don't think there is a POV motivation here. Valley2city 17:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there's a question as to whether this stream exists; the question is rather whether there is a recognized movement by this name. I think not. IMO this should either be included as an (as yet unlabeled) stream within Modern Orthodoxy (my preference), a section within the Avi Weiss article, or in the article on Yeshivat Chovevei Torah. --Kotzker 17:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

This discussion is to cease while the AFD vote takes place. No point in bickering in two different places. JFW | T@lk 20:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Open Orthodoxy --Shirahadasha 07:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)