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[edit] OpenSSH

It might be nice to cover the connection between OpenBSD and OpenSSH in more detail. Maybe in its own separate section.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.244.71.19 (talk • contribs) .

Is there really more to say that wouldn't be better covered in OpenSSH? OpenBSD has a few subprojects, IMO they are better covered in detail in their own articles. NicM 16:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC).

-> I thought it was quite remarkable that the two are related; especially since openssh is widely used. So, I think more emphasis is called for. But I don't know how to bring it out in the article itself though.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.114.83.92 (talk • contribs) 2006-10-11T06:18:21.

The facts that they are related, that this is notable and that OpenSSH is popular are already mentioned in the article. What more should it say? NicM 08:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC).

-> OpenSSH is mentioned under "Licensing", and under "Security and code auditing" and in a discussion related to the puffy fish. So that is more as in by-the-by, and not as a notable point of interest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.244.71.19 (talk • contribs) .

The article is intentionally structured around themes rather than a lot of detail which is better covered in more specific articles. About OpenSSH, in the licensing section it says:
"of particular note is the development of OpenSSH, based on the original SSH suite and developed further by the OpenBSD team. It first appeared in OpenBSD 2.6 and is now the single most popular SSH implementation, available as standard or as a package on many operating systems."
That makes it pretty clear it is developed by OpenBSD and is notable. It's then mentioned in the other section where it is relevent, security. What else would you like the article to say about it? The key is to avoid filling the article up with guff that is better covered elsewhere, that is why we have OpenBSD security features, List of OpenBSD developers, OpenSSH, OpenNTPD, etc. NicM 18:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC).
Please sign your comments using the four tildes, it makes a discussion far easier to read. Also, when indenting something use a colon. I thought the linking to OpenSSH was good enough considering how the OpenBSD article is about OpenBSD, not OpenSSH and the OpenSSH article covers it's releation to OpenBSD, and lack of relation to OpenBSM and OpenSSL pretty well, but if you have a suggestion for how to improve this, give it a shot. Janizary 18:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I object to a new section solely about OpenSSH—in order to make it long enough it would just be a copy of OpenSSH—but maybe enough material can be gathered for a section on "OpenBSD subprojects." Even then, wouldn't that be redundant with all the subproject articles? It'd also be pretty hard to avoid ending up with an overload of boring facts ("OpenSSH was founded by X in 199Y based on Z; OpenNTPD was written by Z in 200A based on B, etc"). NicM 18:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Old stuff

I've moved the old stuff on in to archive 3, feel free to start those discussion up again here, just don't reply to them in the archive. Janizary 23:30, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed bit...

" originally developed by former OpenBSD developer Ejovi Nuwere."

While this little factoid is true it has no place in the lead of the OpenBSD article, if anything it belongs in some of the notes in the ports collection article. Janizary 01:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Potential information

Well, this year's Ruxcon is about to gear up and if the presentation, "Exploiting OpenBSD," has anything worth noting it may be good to add some stuff from or about it. This is kinda a notice to anyone who reads this and actually sees the presentation, since there has been no information on it and seems to be pretty smoke and mirrors at the moment, something vaguely about getting through all the security messures in OpenBSD, but they're not letting anything out until the presentation it seems. Janizary 14:37, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for BSD/OpenBSD artwork (for Portal:Free software)

Hi. Wikipedia rules do not allow "fair use" images on non-article pages, so this means that Portal:Free software cannot use logos, mascots, etc. without explicit permission. I have some usable GNU art, and some usable Tux, but I don't want to add those until I have something else to balance out the GNU+Linux tilt that that art would give to the portal. Portal:Free_software will be applying for Featured portal status soon, and one thing is lacks is art.

I saw this page: http://openbsd.org/art4.html but the actual licence/permission terms aren't specified, and looking at Image:Paintedpuffy1000X907px.gif, it seems that commercial use is not allowed, which is an unacceptable restriction for use in non-articles on Wikipedia.

AFAICT, the only acceptable terms are:

  • public domain
  • revised-BSD-style permissive licence
  • GNU FDL

So, can anyone point me to some BSD or OpenBSD pictures which are under one of those licences? Thanks. Gronky 00:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

You can use this image:

Image:Puffyanim.gif

It isn't an official picture of Puffy, but it has a sufficiently acceptable license for Commons. : )
— Armed Blowfish (talk|mail) 01:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
The above picture is from http://art.gnux.info/, which has unofficial pictures of both Puffy and Beastie. — Armed Blowfish (talk|mail) 01:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Great, thanks. Creative Commons by 1.0 is indeed acceptable IIRC. Gronky 02:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Market share percentages add to over 100%

Article says: "The nascent BSD Certification project performed a usage survey which revealed that 32.8% of BSD users (1420 of 4330 respondents) were using OpenBSD,[10] placing it second of the four major BSD variants, behind FreeBSD with 77.0% and ahead of NetBSD with 16.3%.[11]"

32.8 + 77 + 16.3 > 100 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.101.68.207 (talk • contribs).

People were allowed to pick multiple options. NicM 19:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC).
You can read a more detailed explanation at Image:Bsdusage.gif#Explanation_of_chart.  : ) Armed Blowfish (talk|mail) 20:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is this right

NetBSD (the oldest of the three most popular BSD-based operating systems still active today, with FreeBSD being the third)

I thought FreeBSD was the oldest and then NetBSD and then OpenBSD —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.135.112.43 (talk) 03:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

NetBSD's first release in April 93 was a few months before FreeBSD's in December. NicM 08:46, 27 March 2007 (UTC).
FreeBSD started out as a bunch of patches, if I remember correctly, which makes this a bit more complex. — Armed Blowfish (talk|mail) 11:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Both of them came from patchsets to 386BSD. NetBSD was the first to make a formal release, which is good enough for me, but it may be best just to strip out "oldest," this article isn't the place for that kind of fact. Nor is it really the place for lists of the most popular BSDs (people occasionally try to add DFLY), although its nice to mention FreeBSD and NetBSD in the first paragraph. Maybe we should just get rid of the whole section in parentheses. NicM 15:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC).
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