Talk:One-club man

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Shouldn't an article about "one-club men" stick to players who only played for one club?

Do you suggest a seperate article for 'players famous for being at one particular club?' Mark272 01:38, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
Several players on the first list played for more than one club. Isn't "famous for being at a certain club" a matter of opinion? SteveO
The second heading is mostly about longevity at a particular club, so it should probably be changed to clarify. I suppose the first list needs re-doing. Mark272 17:09, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Second Section

I would argue about the inclusion of a number of players in the second section. The obvious one, and one I have now removed, is Dennis Bergkamp. I appreciate that he has been at Arsenal for a very long time, but the implication that he had not made his name until he joined the club is silly. He was a professional for some 10 years before joining the Gunners and won a total of three major European trophies before joining the club (compared with none since joining Arsenal). I remember him being a huge name when he played for Ajax and Inter (also worth mentioning that he spent 7 years at Ajax). Rje 00:05, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I would propose to remove the second section entirely, it doesn't fit in with the subject of the article and, in some cases, is so subjective as to be useless, as the above example shows. Does anyone have any objection to this? Leithp (talk) 12:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
It should go. "famous for being at one club" is merely a matter of opinion. Even the first section should be trimmed, since Billy Bonds played over 100 games for Charlton, Ron Harris played for Brentford right at the end of his career, David O'Leary played for Leeds etc etc. Also, John Terry and Steven Gerrard are in their mid-20's. Shouldn't the list be reserved for players who are retired? SteveO 15:56, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I'll remove it. I'll also remove Harris and O'Leary, per your comments. I also tend to agree regarding current players, for example when I was adding Scottish players I had no doubts about adding Willie Miller but I wouldn't have added Russell Anderson. Leithp (talk) 16:03, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I've also removed Billy Bonds. On current players, I think it's best to stick to players who are known to have spent their entire professional career at one club, as the article states. SteveO 16:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I missed Billy Bonds. Wrt current players, Ryan Giggs and Paulo Maldini seem reasonable to have on the list, given the length of time they've been at their clubs, but Terry and Gerrard seem to be stretching it, as you say. We should probably also have less of a UK-bias to the entries, at present Maldini is the only non-Brit on the list. Any suggestions? Leithp (talk) 16:17, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Maldini's been at Milan for 20-odd years, and is nearing the end of his career. He's unlikely to move away now, so it's reasonable to keep him. You could argue the same for Giggs. There should definitely be more non-British players here, and I'm sure there are plenty from the likes of Real Madrid, Juventus, Barca etc. But I can't think of any right now, though. I'll add them if I do. SteveO 16:27, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Possibly introduce a cut-off of, say, 15 seasons for current players. Maldini is probably the best known (POV) one club man, and he's still going; Giggs is a bit touch-and-go, and Scholes even more so. Theoretically, if we're going to make this truly famous OCMs, the list could probably be pared down to Adams, Le Tissier and Maldini... Kinitawowi 21:36, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
I too have recommended 15 years as a minimum service length for inclusion in the article. I'll amend the article accordingly, with a reference pointing to the talk page. - Dudesleeper · Talk 16:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, Gary Neville has not been removed yet. I should note that it was me that added some current United players, but each of G. Neville, Giggs, and Scholes has now been at the club 15 years and shown no desire to leave. Based on your proposed cut-off, putting Scholes back in. Perhaps we should also have a category for this? Less noteworthy categories exist. Pellucidity 06:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I added some Italian one club man: Bergomi, Boniperti, Alessandro Mazzola... Gianni Rivera played his early years in Alessandria, Giuseppe Baresi (brother of Franco) spent all his career in Internazionale, but the last two seasons in Modena, Mariolino Corso always played for Inter but the last season in Genoa, Giuseppe Giannini spent almost his whole career at Roma, Gigi Riva played his first season in Legnano before moving to Cagliari: it's really difficult to find a one club man! P.S. sorry for the big amount of mistakes I made in writing, I'm not so good in English! --80.104.88.115 13:21, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I had a terrible time finding the one club men that I added a couple of weeks ago, so I sympathise. I wasn't able to find any South American ones at all, though I'm sure there must be a few examples. Leithp 13:46, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I've just found a couple now, though. Leithp 13:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Ricardo Bochini and Antonio Rattín are already in the list. they are the best known examples in Argentina, but there are many others. From the rest of South America, I'm not sure. Well known one-club men from Spain are Carles Puyol (BCN), José Antonio Camacho (Real) and Pichichi (Bilbao). Mariano(t/c) 10:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


Nobody had added Francesco Totti in the list. Roma is his only club. I added him yesterday. Please check out and verify the same. -Warlord88

[edit] Steve Clarke

Played for St Mirren before moving to Chelsea. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.67.203.137 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Luigi Riva

I deleted Gigi Riva from the list: as I told in this page some months ago, Riva also played for Legnano. --Lanerossi 12:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vassilis Hatzipanagis

You can add Vassilis Hatzipanagis if you like. Ilakast 12:19, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Raul

Raul's barely turned 29. Isn't it a bit stupid to have him in the list, especially considering that he started his career at underage level with Athletico ? Niall123 17:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I concur. I've removed Raul. SteveO 11:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

In this case, I think only his relatively low age is an argument to not have him on the list. The fact that he spent 2 of his youth club years with Atlético Madrid shouldn't matter, imo, since he spent the 2 remaining youth years with Real Madrid, and has so far stayed with the latter for his entire professional career. -DraugenCP

[edit] Teodoro Lolo Fernandez and Jose Carranza

Teodoro Lolo Fernandez was a peruvian soccer player (1913-1996) had played only for Universitario de deportes from lima Peru since 1931 to 1953, he won 4 times the peruvian league and 6 times the leadership in goals (1932, 33, 34, 38, 40, 42 and 45), and he played the 1936 berlin olimpyc games, he won a america cup (1939) and he is the third most goaler in the american cup history. (see http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teodoro_%22Lolo%22_Fern%C3%A1ndez)

Jose Carranza (1964-)know as el puma, was a peruvian soccer player who had played only for universitario since 1986 to 2004, he won 7 peruvian leagues and played more than 60 clasic-games againts alianza lima. (see http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Carranza)

both of players are one club men too

[edit] Giuseppe Baresi

Giuseppe Baresi didn't spend all his career at Inter, he played last 2 season in Modena. Anyway, I found him twice in the list and I deleted twice... --Lanerossi 22:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Julen Guerrero

I believe Julen Guerrero was in Bilbao from 1992 to 2006 instead of 1982-1996 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.22.98.47 (talk) 03:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Gary Neville

All at Manchester United?

Re: Scholes, see below. - Dudesleeper · Talk 16:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eligible for list in 2008

- Dudesleeper · Talk 16:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Hegarty

I should have stated in my edit summary that he has played for four senior clubs, not just clubs, since there are players in the list who have more than one team their infobox list. - Dudesleeper · Talk 09:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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