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Contents 1 Dates 2 Websites 3 A few notes 4 Kikuichi-monji 5 Souji vs. Soushi? 6 Kaneyoshi vs. Fusanaga 7 Tominaga Sei 8 The Black Cat 9 Saito and Okita 10 External Links 11 DOB

[edit] Dates

What is the real date of death? In bio there is 19.07 and later in the text: 30.05. Which one is correct? Seval 11:46, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

The date of death is July 19, 1868 (lunar calander Keio 4, May 30). There's no doubt about it. Seven 16:11, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Websites

There are very few non-Japanese websites listing all correct information. Please do not take all information on personal websites as facts. Please do not take fictional materials as historical facts. Seven 16:11, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A few notes

1. Okita was born in the Shirakawa-han's mansion in Edo (present day Tokyo.)

2. His birth name (in full) was Okita Soujirou Fujiwara no Harumasa. He later changed his name to "Okita Souji Fujiwara no Kaneyoshi." Other than his full name, he could be referred as Okita Souji, Okita Souji Kaneyoshi, or Fujiwara no Kaneyoshi. In the case of his birth name, he could be referred as Okita Soujirou, Fujiwara no Harumasa, or Okita Soujirou Harumasa (never Okita Harumasa Soujirou!)

Family Name: Okita

Given Name/First Name Equivalent: Soujirou; Souji

Family Clan Name: Fujiwara

Formal Given Name/Middle Name Equivalent: Harumasa; Kaneyoshi

3. Okita was enrolled at the Tennen Rishin-ryu school between 1850 and 1852, Kondou Isami was enrolled in 1848. Kondou Isami was like a "TA" to Okita and didn't become the forth master until 1861, the same year Okita mastered all the techniques of Tennen Rishin-ryu.

4. Okita was actually Hijikata's "senpei" and was enrolled at the Tennen Rishin-ryu school before Hijikata. (Hijikata was formally enrolled in 1859.)

5. Okita was sent to a hospital in Edo during the Boshin War(1868-1869) and after the first battle (Battle of Toba-Fushimi) of Boshin War. It was not a tuberculosis hospital and an injured Kondo was sent to the same hospital with Okita.

Seven 07:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kikuichi-monji

Someone should address that Kikuichi-monji was already considered as a priceless treasure even during the late Shogunate period. Therefore Okita wielding Kikuichi-monji is a myth - he couldn't have been able to afford it in the first place. 138.110.224.159

I've mentioned that the Kikuichi-monji was forged during Emperor Go-Toba's reign (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kikuichi-monji). I could write more about it. However, even though Okita couldn't have been able to afford it , he could have inherited it from his ancestors (Although highly unlikely that he owned it, I could not find any evidence against this theory and therefore consider it to be a rumor, rather than a myth.)

His so-called "Kikuichimonji Norimune" was likely a Yamasiro Kunikiyo instead.Seven 06:09, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

This information is from Japanese Wikipedia.

Most Japanese historician suppose that Okita had never owned Kikuichi-monji; He owned Kasyu-Kiyomitsu(加州清光). This misunderstanding was caused by two famous Japanese novelist, Shiba Ryoutarou(司馬 遼太郎) and Shimozawa Kan(子母澤 寛). they wrote a novel as if Okita owned and used Kikuichi-monji. Actually, Kikuichi-monji is too much expensive to use and is definitely not suited for battles. 209.222.50.107 10:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, as I've stated many times, many of the Shinsengumi fans believe Kikuichi-monji to be Okita Soji's sword based on Shiba Ryoutarou's fiction. In fact, the Kikuichi-monji wasn't called the "Kikuichi-monji" until Shiba's work was published. (To be historically accurate, the collective name given to the katanas forged by the swordsmith Koiti-monji is the Ichi-monji.) Seven 14:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Souji vs. Soushi?

I'm placing my bets that the correct romanization is "Souji" (or Sōji, however you prefer), but I've come across variations where his name was "Soushi" (or Sōshi, etc.) His given name is undesputably Soujirou, so why is there the controversy of Souji vs. Soushi? Like it's written as Soushi here as well as various other creditable sources: SOUSHI OKITA - SHIN-SEN-GUMI

Does anyone have a definitive answer to the correct romanization of his name?

Yes, DEFINITELY Souji! (Okita had "spelt" his name as "総二"/Souji in his letters.) By the way, Souji(総司) is his given name. Okita was born with the given name Soujirou (惣次郎 or 宗次郎) and he changed it to Souji shortly before he went to Kyoto. Seven 11:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

PS "司" could also be pronounced as "shi" but it is "ji" (or "zi") in Okita's case (since "二" could only be pronounced as "ji" or "zi".) Seven 11:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I mean "given name" as in the name he was born with, which is Okita Souijrou, and not Okita Souji. I was just curious, but thank you for the clear-up! Kyuu 18:26, 20 May 2006

You're welcome.

PS. He was born with the (full) name, "Okita Soujirou Fujiwara no Harumasa." Seven 03:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

It's Sōji, but even many Japanese mispronounce it Sōshi.

[edit] Kaneyoshi vs. Fusanaga

"房良"(かねよし) is "Kaneyoshi," not "Fusanaga." Seven 02:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tominaga Sei

Tominaga Sei is not based on a real person and the account in regard of Okita and a certain doctor's daughter originally comes from the trilogy by Shimozawa Kan. His Shinsengumi books are categorized as (historical) fiction. Seven 15:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

In addition, the so-called doctor's daughter does make an appearance from Kaze Hikaru Vol 16 to Vol 17. Seven 15:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Black Cat

Okita didn't dream about killing a black cat before his death. According to Shimozawa's book, He died after an attempt to kill a black cat. Seven 15:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saito and Okita

Hi. I've deleted your recent edit to the Okita Soji article. Okita calls Saito "master" in the OVA's English dub but it's not the case in the original Japanese script or in the TV/manga series. As for why Okita calls Saito "san" and Saito calls Okita "kun," it's because Okita is politer than Saito. Okita is also a few months younger than Saito (in the RK universe, based on the theory that Okita was born in 1844). Seven 06:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

• Hajimenokizu A site dedicated to Saitou Hajime and the Shinsengumi in various fictional and historical incarnations. Includes Rurouni Kenshin, Peace Maker Kurogane, Kaze HIkaru, NHK's Shinsengumi and others. Information, fanwork, forum, image, video and other media are available.
• Shinsengumi Database Website that catalogues information on Shinsengumi in various media - from anime to historical works, manga to novels and video games. Searchable and updated as titles are released in the US and Japan.
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[edit] DOB

Okita was born in 1842 or 1844; the 1843 birth-date has only been used in FICTIONAL work. Accurate information could be found in HISTORICAL references. The information that Okita died when he was 25 is based on the theory that he was born in 1844 and therefore was 25 by East Asian age reckoning when he died in 1868. (Therefore, the date of his death does NOT indicate the date of his birth at all.) Seven 20:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)