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[edit] Image copyright

Image:RedBlackCap.jpg the copyright needs to be established as there is a claim that the image is copyright(tag on page) and used under fair use, and a GFDL tag on the image page as well. Also Image:Sherwood.JPG fair use rationale on an image tagged as US Federal Government which are PD images also needs to be addressed. I fixed a typo on an image description besides that I thinking this looks ready for a run at FA once the image problems are fixed, I'll come back again in a couple of days for another look. Gnangarra 12:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A strange sentence

Overall, the article is looking great, but there's still work to be done. Specifically, I found the following sentence a little unclear:

"Most students cite the school's policy on off-campus housing as one of the "worst things" about Ohio Wesleyan due to a resulting shortage of people who desire to reside in off-campus housing due to the off-campus lottery cap."

I'm not sure what this means. Is it that students who want to move off-campus can't because they don't believe enough of their friends will also win in the lottery? If so, we can make that more clear. — BryanD 04:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

The idea is captured in the second part of the sentence: "due to a resulting shortage of people who desire to reside in off-campus housing due to the off-campus lottery cap". The number of people wanting to live off-campus is greater than the number of students allowed to live off-campus by the school. I hope this makes it clearer. LaSaltarella 07:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] So many names!

Ohio Wesleyan is referred to variously as Ohio Wesleyan University, OWU, the school, the college, and the University—why does it need so many names? Surely one or two will do?

The article is slowly edging toward completion. I haven't touched anything past Organizations and Activities. Rintrah 09:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

You are right. Any of them will be fine. Let's pick 1 or 2 that are consistent with the the copyediting rules of WP. LaSaltarella 21:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Vote Ohio Wesleyan and OWU. Therefore, all other names should be deleted. Rintrah 16:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "youngest of Ohio Five"

I was trying to find information to justify changing the lead paragraph back to reading the "youngest" of the Ohio Five, when I discovered that OWU is neither the most recently founded (Wooster was founded in 1866) nor the most recent member to join (as far as I can tell, there was no official "joining", or if there was, all five joined in 1995). Does anyone know where this came from? — BryanD 16:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alumni

To be honest, I think Alumni is the worst section in the article—it is too long. Surely the subarticle covers (or should cover) everything in this section? I suggest the section only cover the diversity of alumni, in a sentence, and that it be followed with two or three examples of notable alumni. Otherwise, the section becomes a collage of short biographies that, together, are boring to read.

I'd do more on this article, but my city is in the middle of a heat wave, and I don't have air conditioning. Rintrah 16:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Serial comma

Consider the serial comma. Americans almost universally use it; its omission looks horrible; hence, the article should use it throughout. That is, every list set off by commas should have a comma after the penultimate item. I am too lazy to put it in everywhere myself. Rintrah 17:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article History

Since there were a lot of templates piling up at the top of the page, I went ahead and replaced them with the {{ArticleHistory}} template. I made my best guess as to what was out there, but saw references other peer reviews which I couldn't locate. If someone knows the links, feel free to add them to the template, or, simply list the dates, type of actions, and links here, and I'll go ahead and update it. :) --Elonka 22:10, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Administration

The paragraph on the current president is too long, and, besides, is covered in the linked article (or should be). Please trim this section to make it more interesting. Rintrah 15:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments / suggestions

I am glad to see the article is much improved since I last carefully looked at it in Peer Review. I have some suggestions for improvement and questions.

Image suggestions: Is it necessary to have two pictures of University Hall (both of which give the date it was built)? I like the second, springtime one better. I have asked this before too, but do you really need two pictures of Branch Rickey (I prefer the picture of him with Jackie Robinson, you could then put someone else in the alumni gallery). I also like alternating between left and right picture alignments - this is done well at the top of the article, not so well towards the bottom. I also note that there are almost no pictures of people on campus except the president and the lacrosse team - could you find more images with students or faculty / staff or both in them?

Be specific: Be specific in dates and avoid generalities. For example in the Campus section, we read "Many facilities have been constructed in the last two years, with substantial benefit to science, art, and athletic programs on campus." I presume the new science building is included in this, but it was built in 2004, now three years ago. Why not say "New facilities built since 2004 include the Conrades-Wetherell Science Center (2004), the XYZ Fine Art building (date), and ABC athletics field (date)." Or since 2001? The specifics take about as much space and tell more.

Avoid repetition / redundancy: I searched for Branch Rickey in the article. I agree he is an important person and alum, but do you really need to say what he did four times (plus a fifth mention of his name with his picture in the gallery)? I can perhaps see two of these (one being the Rickey-Robinson photo), but not all four. The quotes are:

  • The campaign is named after Branch Rickey, class of 1904, who broke the racial barrier in professional baseball.[64]
  • On October 23, 1945, Branch Rickey, an OWU graduate, officially signed a contract with Jackie Robinson for the Brooklyn Dodgers. [photo caption]
  • Others, too, have fought racism. Branch Rickey, an alumnus, broke the racial barrier in baseball.[141]
  • Branch Rickey (1904) was a baseball manager known for signing Jackie Robinson as the first African-American in Major League Baseball.[205]


I will have more comments on the History section next. I hope this helps. Ruhrfisch 22:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Wow, this is really helpful! Thank you, Ruhrfisch! I have several questions. I thought about the Branch Rickey image and I think we need to remove one of them and replace it with another alumni image just as you suggested. I will do this when I get more time. Regarding your second comment, which section do you think the students/faculty image will fit in? Both the specificity and redundancy issues will be addressed, they are very helpful and easy to fix suggestions. Thanks again! LaSaltarella 08:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
    • I guess I would have to see the picture to be sure - If you move the Rickey-Robinson picture elsewhere (since neither BR nor JR were OWU students at the time), there are several pictures in the OWU activism article that show actual students protesting (although the Vietnam era one has an odd license for a picture from the 1970s). I am pretty busy in real life, but still have some comments / questions on the history section to add. Take care, Ruhrfisch 02:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Copyedit complete

This article, or a portion of it, was copyedited by the League of Copyeditors in February 2007. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.
  • Copyeditor(s): Rintrah 13:16, 13 February 2007 (UTC); Galena11 23:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Useful but needs to be verified

In 2003, both Ohio Wesleyan students and the administration severely criticized and acted against the Campus Crusade for Christ group.[1] The organization is an interdenominational Christian organization, focusing on evangelism and discipleship in over 190 countries around the world. [2] Students and administrators complained of being bullied by the ministry's members. [3] The most recent backlash at OWU was due to the Campus Crusade's "Do You Agree with Adam?" campaign, which encouraged Christians campuswide to openly display signs of their faith. Most believed the resulting actions, such as chalking, were aggressively intrusive and spread religious intolerance.[4][3][5] As a result, several activist groups and the administration protested the organization's presence on campus. As a result, Campus Crusade for Christ was expelled from the campus for the remainder of the 2003-2004 school year.[4][1]


[edit] White and Male

I will make the challenge to User:LaSaltarella here that I made on my talk page. Most schools/universities have only had white males as their president. Do I like it? No. Racism and Sexism exist and it is a shame that they do. It is a shame that it has only been in the past 20-40 years that non-whites and women have had any chance of major leadership positions. It is also a shame that some institutions (such as the NFL) have to put quotas to try to push for more equality in the leadership ranks. But the fact that an individual institution hasn't had a non-white male is not in and of itself newsworthy. How many professional football teams have never had a black head coach? Do any of the team cites mention that fact? How many fortune 500 companies have never had a non-white male as CEO? Do any of those cites mention that fact? How many colleges and universities have never had a non-white male as their president? Do any of them mention that fact? How many states have never had a non-white male as Governor? Do any of the state pages mention that fact? So here is my challenge to you 1) Find me a page for a university/fortune 500 company/NFL team where a random fact such as this is thrown in when describing the president/CEO/coach or 2) goto a University page (perhaps University of Oklahoma) and add a comment that only white males have been president. I guarantee that it will be reverted!

Now, if the issue is a controversial issue that is getting media attention (outside of a school newpaper) at a specific institution, then it may deserve a section discussing the controversy. The fact that a disproportionate number of head coaches in the NFL are white is news, the fact that the Denver Bronco's have never had a black head coach isn't.Balloonman 08:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

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