Template talk:Oh My Goddess Extlnk
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| {{Oh My Goddess Extlnk|Main}} |
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| {{Oh My Goddess Extlnk|TV-EP|01|01-01}} |
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| {{Oh My Goddess Extlnk|Movie}} |
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| {{Oh My Goddess Extlnk|Main-Character|bell|belldandy|Belldandy|Belldandy}} | |
| {{Oh My Goddess Extlnk|Character|skuld|Skuld}} |
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| {{Oh My Goddess Extlnk|Character2|Lind}} |
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[edit] TfD nomination of Template:Oh My Goddess Extlnk
Template:Oh My Goddess Extlnk has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Oh My Goddess Extlnk. Thank you.
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In hopes for an agreement, I'd like to see if I can reach an agreement on this matter. The tempalte does have its usage, however, it might not be sensible for simply an calloboration of external links. I've changed the header to Sources and references, which is correct. Henceforth, the template can be utilzed as an link portal for references. Proceeding the template, I can place specific links to an fan website (or two) pointing to the subject in question- hence an external links section. I'm still specualting on the workability of this, and other's idea's and suggestions would be appreciated. -ZeroTalk 09:51, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Using a template to put the exact same links on 72 different articles still seems very wrong to me. If there's information on the fansites that's specific to a given article, then link from the article directly to the page with that information. But if the fansites are just general to the topic as a whole, then link them from the general top-level article, not from the individual specific articles. What you're doing is like linking to the home page of IMDB.com from every article about a film - there's simply no use in that. - Brian Kendig 13:33, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Absolutely. So here's what we'll do. We'll construct an list of website's we need and do not. I'll go to each website and gather specific URL's for each website that pertain to each article. Upon doing that, we'll manually insert those into each article. Henchforth, this template will be used for sources instead of exernal links. How does that sound..? -ZeroTalk 13:38, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Linking from an article to individual pages which specifically provide more information about the article's topic, like for example linking from the Skuld article to a page with details about Skuld: that's good and appropriate. This can go into an External Links section; at some future time when the information in the fan page is pulled into the Wikipedia article, then it can be cited in a Sources section. Which links do you still intend to have the same in every article (by use of a template), though? - Brian Kendig 15:16, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
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- I just answered that question. We'll use the template for refenrence and source links. Wikipedia policy encourages that we cite our sources. In the creation of these articles I can verify other editors and myself used these fansites in the construction process. Instead of inserting the sources section in manually, we can proceed to utilze this template for that purpose. The external link section can be just as you suggested, including minimal amounts of websites (one should suffice) that point to an specific page about that character. -ZeroTalk 15:39, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
I think we misunderstand each other. I thought you were saying that you would use static links in the template (as had previously been done before I raised the issue) so that every article would have the same exact set of links to the same exact pages in it. That's what I don't feel is appropriate, neither for Sources nor for External Links - because these links, being the same in every article, would not be specific to the articles they're in. If on the other hand you're saying you'll make a template similar to the IMDB template - one to which you can pass parameters from each article, so that the template will create a link that's specific for the page it's on - then that's a really good idea. - Brian Kendig 15:45, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
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- Awesome! Go ahead and post the specific text you intend to use for the template, so we can make sure we're on the same page. I think it would be fine to use something along the lines of Template:Imdb name or Template:Memoryalpha. - Brian Kendig 17:49, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
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I see you've been working on it - it's changed when I've looked at the article a couple of times today, but right now I don't see any article-specific links in it. When you've gotten it to a point that's ready to talk about, please let me know here, and we can discuss it. (Not on your talk page - this is an article issue, not a user issue, and I want it to remain visible.) - Brian Kendig 22:59, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
I just now looked over the work you did on the template. I don't think that gateway.cjb.net would work very well for a template; only a few characters there have pages of their own, and the URLs don't seem to have a consistent format to them - it would be easier to link them directly from articles, without using a template. On the other hand, www.noblescarlet.net does appear to be structured better and a template would be easier to use for that, so perhaps you could create a new template, maybe named "AMG character" or "NobleScarlet.net" or something similar? I think the template would be coded like this:
[http://www.noblescarlet.net/lexicon/{{{1|{{{name}}}}}}.php ''{{{2|{{{title|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}''] at NobleScarlet.net]
And called like this from an individual page: {{AMG character|name=Belldandy}}
or: {{AMG character|name=Skuld|title=Skuld}} (when the page name differs from the character name)
Let me know what you think. - Brian Kendig 20:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm considering simply allowing the template to be processed for deletion. The URL reason was an great idea, but for some reason, I cannot get it link to the character pages (It prompts an 404). Inserting the links in manually may be the best course of action. -ZeroTalk 20:53, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Let's take the discussion back to Talk:Oh My Goddess!, because this is a general issue beyond this template itself, and I'd like to post some options there. (And I don't want to lose the discussion if this template and talk page are deleted.) - Brian Kendig 21:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
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- I've moved the disccusion over to Talk:Oh My Goddess!. -ZeroTalk 21:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
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I admire the work you've been doing on this template, but be careful - it's getting very long and complicated. Please consider putting the documentation on this talk page instead of in the template itself, and also consider removing parts of it and putting them directly into articles, such as the "Main" section which you say is only used in three articles. Also, please link from the "Main" section to no more than one fansite home page, per WP:EL - that policy applies elsewhere; there's no reason why AMG should be an exception, and there are far more fansites out there for AMG than these four. Link to the Open Directory category, instead. - Brian Kendig 19:22, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- I'll move the "help" to the talk page now
- Wikipedia:External links is a style guide not a rule/policy. Hence we can have more than 1 fan sites "legaly". The page reads: Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link. under the "Occasionally acceptable links" section.
- Having said that, I am not trying to be a dick though, I want to create exceptional articles but please read my rationale below.
- What I want to have: at least 2 (and no more than 3, 4) fansites (because they are fansites there needs to be another site "verifying" information).
- The main section should have many exceptional fansites as well as official ones. People reading this article will likely want to seek fansites since we lack an official english one (if I had something like www.startrek.com for Ah! My Goddess this wouldnt be an issue
- We cannot "cite sources" at all if we kick away fansites as this is a Japanese anime without an official english site (or the english site sucks so much it does not appear on google). The japanese site is undergoing construction, currently its not very usefull either.
- --Cool CatTalk|@ 22:03, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
There are many exceptional fansites out there for this anime series, and it is important that people have access to them. That's why search engines and web directories exist. You are doing a disservice to readers by handpicking a subset of these sites to link from the main article. If it's verifiable sources you're interested in, then link to the specific pages which corroborate the details in the article. It seems to me like you want to link to these fansites because you believe they're useful to people interested in the topic these articles cover; while that's an admirable goal, it's simply not the purpose of Wikipedia, and a bad idea for several reasons. - Brian Kendig 22:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
