Talk:Oh My Goddess!/Archive 4
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Voice cast
I've added a bit more information on the voice cast based on what I've found on the Japanese Wikipedia. There it noted different seiyuu for the TV series on The Almighty and on Chrono, Ere, and Ex, so I put them down in the table.
There seems to be a little confusion on the TV seiyuu for Ere and Ex, though. Japanese Wikipedia has Chiemi Chiba voicing Ere and Yoko Honna voicing Ex. I had found before on Ryu's Seiyuu Infos that it showed the other way around, and my searching of Japanese sites with Google doesn't seem to show any consistency either. One seiyuu database I check, Les voix des Anges, has both Ex and Ere listed on both Yoko Honna and Chiemi Chiba profiles. I haven't watched the TV series in any form yet, but I guess this comes from some kind of mishap with the TV credits. Anyone have the series and have a good ear for Honna's or Chiba's voices, and can tell which is which? I decided to enter in the way it was on the Japanese version of Wikipedia, as I guess having it in one way was better than listing the Movie seiyuu for them. The possible spread of inaccurate information bothers me, so I hope it can be clarified, though.
Lastly, it listed a seiyuu for Hild, "Gara Takashima (Game)". I found that the game is Quiz: Ah! My Goddess from checking the Seiyuu Database, so I added the appropriate information for Hild's and Gara Takashima's entries. Should she be listed on the main table, too, even though she hasn't voiced her in any anime adaptations? EmperorBrandon 06:48, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Template change proposal
Not as big and not as untidy. It unites the articles together under one. --Kunzite 01:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Template:Oh My Goddess/change
I oppose this idea. There is a reason why 3 templates are used on this article rather than one. If you look at any of the linked articles only one of the three templates appear. I also find the current version more tidy. --Cat out 20:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)- I know that only one of the templates appear on the various sub articles. However, if you have a series of articles, I feel that all articles should be represented in the series box.
- What's the reason that there are three templates? Is it not better to have all articles linked from the same page as they are all part of the same series? Even if the templates were kept separate, they're still in need of clean-up. With everything in bold, it breaks the feature that tells what page you're on. (That title is bolded and unlinked.) Also, there is way too much whitespace in the table.
- We can get rid of some of these excess characters in here as well. After I finish with my Sailor Moon mergers, I'll help clean up here with some minor character merge proposals. --Kunzite 20:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
The reason we have 3 templates is simple. Relevancy. An article talking about a spesific Oh My Goddess! episode does not need to link to all of the characters. However linking to all characters on an article talking about a character is only logical. So the reason is relevancy. Providing the user with a flood of links will confiuse them. It surely confiuses me. Thats why I do not like templates that are cramed up.I do not mind templates undergoing a cleanup. I just dont want them to be cramed up. Do note that sometimes the templates are compressed such as on stub articles which is why they are spaced out so much.- We are not getting rid of "excess characters". I am not much of an article writer, but I know there is lots to be written about all those "minor" side characters. We should be focusing on expanding articles, not deleteing them.
- --Cat out 21:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm maybe we can merge both ideas... --Cat out 20:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Ah! My Goddess should redirect
I don't see any reason why Ah! should be a disam. page instead of a simple redirect considering how everything that the Ah! page links to is linked in this page as well. I went ahead and changed it but I felt it needed mentioning her as it seems that it has been a redirect page in the past.--SeizureDog 05:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Moved ah-vs-oh down again
Dear CoolCat,
You wrote "naming is more important than the plot. (first thing people will need to understand from the article is that series have multiple names), then what inspired the series, then plot, then etc".
"Naming is more important than plot."
I just have to disagree with you on this one. I hardly know what to say to someone who really believes that, but I'll try.
If you had to pick any one point to get across to the reader, be it plot, name, nordic references, staff etc. what point would that be?
- OMG is a series about a college freshman, who, because of his pure heart, has been chosen by God's computer system to receive a single wish. An angel-like goddess is sent down to ask for his wish, and he wishes for Belldandy to stay with him forever, which she does gladly. etc.
- OMG is a series also known as AMG because of problems translating the original title. The translations have led to a great deal of debate and flamewars amongst English-speaking anime fans during the early 1990s. etc.
- OMG is a series influenced by Nordic mythology. The main characters for example have been named after Nordic deities. etc.
- OMG is a series featuring the following seiyuu: etc.
I really do hope you understand that to people who don't know the series the ah-vs-oh debate is of very little consequence indeed. As long as you don't know what a series is about this debate is simply not interesting at all. Even if you do know what this series is about, even, in fact, if you're a fanboy, it's a bit of trivia, nothing more.
The primary question any article should answer is: "what is this?" If we return to my little list for a moment, #2 could equally well refer to any number of books and movies; in other words, it isn't really an answer or good definition at all.
If you have the ability to monopolize your audience you might go for tactically saving some bits for last, but for a webpage or reference book that is just not possible. Most readers tend to read from top to bottom and if they lose interest they close the browser window (or book) and go somewhere else. It's that simple.
While the actual position of the oh-vs-ah section may be the subject of some debate, I contend that any sensible person would at least put it somewhere below the plot and nordic-influences sections. I don't plan on starting a revert war with you (or anyone else for that matter) so if you do, I'll file for a mediation request. Of course the exact location of the ah-vs-oh debate is open to debate.
Yours faithfully, Shinobu 03:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- Plot section is visible with little scrolling as well as on the TOC box. For the reader it won't matter where it is.
- Naming of a series is not Trivia. The OVA/Manga beared the official title Oh My Goddess!, Ah! My Goddes was the title of the movie and the recent TV series as the title Ah! My Goddess! All of these are the official titles. Info regarding alternative names generaly are presented in lead, however the complex nature of the issue requires a section.
- After done with the naming rest of the sections are ordered per importance with the exeption of 3 sections (References, See also, External links) which come last respectively.
- --Cat out 19:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- But.. the alternate names are already included in the lead. I personally feel that this information is relevant only to hardcore fans of the show and should be relegated to the note section. See: InuYasha. Shinobu's lower placement in the article is also an OK option. It's not something to include over plot. (I, personally, was confused when I first read this article as it seemed like that it was a disambig page because there was all of this information about naming of the series.) --Kunzite 01:03, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- A diambiguation page does not have an infobox. Name of the series is something that had prompted copyright/trademark issues. Changes in the official title is NOT cruft.
- Plot is the least relevant thing in an encyclopedic article. Why is Oh My Goddess! significant compared to other anime? It's complicated naming is one of the reasons. Norse referances is another. Plot is significant, just not as significant in my view. However perhaps naming can be placed after norse referances tho I want to keep the norse stuff next to the plot --Cat out 14:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- But.. the alternate names are already included in the lead. I personally feel that this information is relevant only to hardcore fans of the show and should be relegated to the note section. See: InuYasha. Shinobu's lower placement in the article is also an OK option. It's not something to include over plot. (I, personally, was confused when I first read this article as it seemed like that it was a disambig page because there was all of this information about naming of the series.) --Kunzite 01:03, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Blindly reverting me will not yield a solution. I will file for a mediation request. Shinobu 00:46, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- Blindly reverting means I revert w/o posting a talk response... The diference in time index isn't several seconds only because I carefully considered your standing and wrote a response before reverting... --Cat out 14:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
MedCab Case - I spoke with Cool Cat earlier and he'd already decided that it was in the best interests of all involved to simply not argue, so I've moved the case to "in mediation" with a status of "Resolved". If anyone has any questions, please feel free to contact me. Thank you. ~Kylu (u|t) 15:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
