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[edit] Anglicisation

Hello - I'm contacting you because of your involvement with many French articles. A few have undertaken the task of "Anglicising" French terms in Wiki articles (eg/: "Région => Region"; "Département => Departement") - there doesn't seem to have been any discussion about this, so your point of view would be welcome. I think a good place for this discussion would be the WP:FR page. Thank you. THEPROMENADER 14:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there has been any real discussion, other than some comments made by two people during the initial proposal of the France wikiproject (a copy is available at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject France). I don't know what User:Olivier and the group around Wikipedia:WikiProject French communes (and its various former wikiprojects) think of this, or, for that matter, what they think of the creation of the WikiProject France. It might be a good idea to get everyone involved in a consensus decision/vote on the matter of région/region and département/department on the WikiProject talkpage. --NYArtsnWords 16:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

No such area set up at WP:FR so the discussion is taking place here. Thankyou. --Bob 16:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

There is an area there now, so please find it here. THEPROMENADER 17:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
You seem to be the custodian of the WP:FR project, NYArtsnWords... I have the impression that this could turn out to be a lively debate : ) Perhaps this would be a good opportunity to wider attention to the France articles... there only seem to be a few working there. Am I wrong? Anyhow, anyone and everyone should be contacted about this as so to have an objective a discussion as possible - perhaps you know of some who would be interested? Thanks and cheers. THEPROMENADER 17:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
User:SlaveToTheWage is without a doubt the real custodian of WP:FR, but I try to do my part. I will contact some people when I have more time later. You should definitely contact the people at Wikipedia:WikiProject French communes for their input. Cheers- NYArtsnWords 17:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

On a similar note, thanks for the heads up. The anglicisation of département to department was bothering me when I made a load of edits to Départements of France the other night, but I was too busy with that to get round to working out where to bitch about it  ;o) — OwenBlacker 10:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I'm trying to be as concise as possible but you know how complicated it can be. I don't feel like I'm going in details but if it's too much informations feel free to move around what I write :). I planned to do more, as you can see I also did Gaul, Roman Gaul, Frankish Kingdoms and middle-age... basicly at this rate (I have time lately) the entire page would have been more extensive. Matthieu 17:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP France template

The template is working, I corrected the error on Paris. Most probably that is why you contacted me. STTW (talk) 17:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Request on Template:France_tasks

You requested Minister of Housing (France), would you like this article to be about le ministère de l'emploi, de la cohésion sociale et du logement ? There is no distinct ministerial office for housing in France. Or would you like the article to be about the views of some French politicians (communists) who would like there to be a separate minister of housing ? Jackaranga 15:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Here is the article on the French wikipeadia | ministère de l'emploi, de la cohésion sociale et du logement, would you like me to translate this ? --Jackaranga 16:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Jackaranga - many of the French government ministers are combinations of various departments, and they have been combined in various ways over the years. For example, the Minister of Transportation (France) has frequently been combined with the positions of Minister of Public Works ("Ministre de l'Equipement"), Minister of Housing ("Logement"), Minister of Tourism, Minister of Territorial Development ("Aménagement du territoire") and Minister of the Sea.
There exists an article on Minister of Social Affairs (France) which covers the various prior versions of the Minister of Employment, Social Cohesion, but there is no current separate article on the prior versions of the Minister of Housing (which was frequently attached to Minister of Public Works (France) and Minister of Territorial Development (France) in the past.). --NYArtsnWords 16:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
I'll see if I can write this article, it's been a while as I studied Institutional history at the beginning of my studies, and then moved on to the constitutional side more, but maybe I can find more about it in some books. As far as I remember it was created in 1981, when they split up the ministère de l'environnement et du cadre de vie, into several parts. There was however before that the Ministère de la Construction which built most of the blocks of flats round where I live. I will try to put all this in order. Might not be easy, I have loads of books from my studies but information is all mixed up in them, because of the frequent changes in names :-'( --Jackaranga 18:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
It's a real labyrinth of changes in portfolio names... I notice that the expression "ministre du logement" apears from 1966 on (see Minister of Public Works (France)#Ministers of Public Works ("Equipement") (1966 - present)). I don't know if this was the first appearance of the portefeuille. --NYArtsnWords 18:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arsène Wenger

Hi. Arsène Wenger is well known to anyone who follows world football. I hope you change your mind. Xiner (talk, email) 19:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Yay, I knew I could win you over. Thanks! Xiner (talk, email) 19:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anglicisation Arbitration

NYA,

I'm game for your suggestion for arbitration - this turned into a stand-off with little hope for consensus - all we can hope for is to call to an objective light the scope and consequences of the widespread but no-consensus actions of those few. What's more, those concerned have made no effort at all to discuss the quality of their edits, nor made any proposition to change them - proving even more that this 'Anglicisation' movement was based for the principle more than real reader comprehension.

User:Olivier, possibly Wiki's most active France-related article contributor, had a rather wise (yet resigned) take on the matter - perhaps you would like to read it [[1]].

Thanks again, best regards,

THEPROMENADER 21:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of French language

Hello, I saw you contributed on the History of French page, and your credential seems to indicate that you are knowledgable in this field. I am writing to you because I left a note on the discussion section of History of French page, and I am no specialist in this field, so I thought perhaps you could contribute to the page. Thanks. Marcus wilby73 21:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Marcus, although I was responsible for the bulk of the prose of the History of French article (originally on the French language page), most of the technical linguistic additions and examples have been added by others who are more knowledgeable in these matters than I am. I will however try to do what I can. --NYArtsnWords 02:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kiarostami

Hi! Since you are an experienced wikipedian, interetsted in art and an English native speaker:

I am going to nominate Abbas Kiarostami for GA/FA soon. It is now under peer review. It would be nice if you could take a look at it and comment on it. Thanks and have a nice day. Sangak 16:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] French/English words arbitration case

In connection with the arbitration case you filed, I just wanted to be sure that you (and the other parties) had seen my comment here, which may be helpful to you. I hope your dispute can be resolved quickly. Regards, Newyorkbrad 00:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Outside opinions are always appreciated and helpful. The RfA might have been more substantial if the other involved parties had said their piece as well. Cheers. -- NYArtsnWords 02:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Religion(s)

Personally, I strongly oppose the singular, as you know - I see you have a phD in philosophy - that the singular implies unity - at least, as you suggest, in French. You may even see that the French Wiki, which took the very surprising option to name categories by singular terms (instead of "French politicians" they put "Politicien français"), found out that this choice was a bad idea when they came to speak about religions. Thus, they create the syntaxically-speaking absurd category of Catégorie:Religion et mouvement religieux en France, that is, they wanted to underline that they are various religions and religious movements in France; but since Wiki consistency" (an argument that stands for conservatism without justification - I've got nothing against conserving stuff, as long as it justified) in the French Wiki advocated singular for categories, they were forced to make this dubious singular-plural category. Furthermore, I'll underline the fact that the Minister of Interior is called Ministre des cultes, and not Minister of Worship nor Ministre du culte (which would refer to the clergy giving the sacrements, as you know that ministre is a term that originally comes from the religious semantic field). All of this to say that, I know Wiki consistency would advocate for singular, but I think it is very wrong. I guess others opinions would be nice - maybe I should been a bit more cautious and asked them before moving, I'm sorry for going fast, but I did that because the article seemed to have been long forgotten... Cheers! Tazmaniacs 17:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Taz - although I can appreciate your desire to deconstruct the categories in order to counteract bias, in English, the use of the singular "Religion" does not strike me as unnecessarily ideological. I would say "Food in France" or "Wine in France", even though there are many wines and kinds of foods, and I would have a tendency to say "tell me about religion in America" without feeling I was unconsciously being a conservative (I hope!). This would be different if the prepositional phrase "of France" was used: the "Foods of France" or "Wines of France" or "Religions of France" would seem more natural. You should check out Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories) and -- if this is a cause you want to champion -- you should suggest a whole-hearted reorganization of ALL of the RELIGION(s) categories on the appropriate "naming conventions" talkpage. Remember, the work of an encyclopedia is different from academic/political debate: do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point, but work toward consensus through discussion. Cheers -- NYArtsnWords 17:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
p.s. For clarification: while I have a PhD ("doctor of philosophy"), it is not in "philosophy".
That last distinction clears my understanding problem. A classic historical dissertation - in French - would say Les religions en France (if it said La religion en France, one would clearly be implicitly asked to question the unity of religion in France - i.e. see debates concerning Jean Touchard's book on Les gauches en France, or René Rémond Les droites en France and not La droite en France). I assume you are correct - and will thus drop it here. Thanks for your clear explanations! Tazmaniacs 18:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
PS: my point was not to disrupt nor to make a "political point", but to respect the mainstream and official appreciations of religions in France. See le ministre des cultes... Tazmaniacs 18:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oooh on Christopher Janney

This is just a little note to thank you for Christopher Janney. It was written well and I enjoyed reading it. :) --Strangerer (Talk | Contribs) 05:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About Your Marvel Comics Userbox

Hi, i am glad you liked the Image:UserboxCapShield.JPG and decided to use it for your own user box. But I thought I should tell you that there is a better looking Marvel Comics user box out there.(the black on the blue background just looks weird)

M
 This user reads Marvel Comics.

{{User:Scepia/Marvel Comics}}


This one also has a few lines of code to include you into the marval comics catagory. If you are still bent on using your own, then i would be happy to upload a new image for you so that you dont see that black background which, at least in my opion will make it look alot better. O and and feel free to use the user box that I made especially for the shield.

This user is mourning the death of The Star-Spangled Avenger

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Sorry if i seem forcefull or something, if you wana keep it the way it is, be my guest. I am just giving you some info that you might find usefull.Phoenix741 02:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Phoenix- I know about the Marvel UB, and used it for a while, but frankly I thought it looked a little dull (and the "Magneto was right" UB isn't a knockout either, IMHO)... that's when I put up my own Marvel UB (yeah, I know, forgoing the Marvel Comics cat inclusion, but I'd rather wait for a sharper UB to come along). Unfortunately, the pic which I initially used in my UB -- which looked awesome (Image:Movie poster spiderman 2.jpg) -- was not licensed for use on userpages, and so it had to go. Today, when I saw the Cap Shield (nice, btw), I thought I'd give it a try in the box (without putting up a RIP Cap message). I just changed the background color in my image box to better fit your shield. Now... if you come up with a cool Spidey/Marvel, or an "I'm with Anti-Registration", or a "None are so blind as those who will not see", etc. UB... let me know. Excelsior! -- NYArtsnWords 03:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
p.s. Of course, with your inclusion of the Marvel UB in your message, I am now in the Marvel Comics cat. -- NYArtsnWords 03:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

You know your right there are no Marvel/Spidey Userboxes, when i get the free time, i will make one.Phoenix741 12:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger of Noble of the Robe/Sword and French Nobility is worth consideration

Merging all of these articles is worth consideration. However, Noble of the Robe and Noble of the Sword are commonly used terms and would still need small pages briefly explaining the terms and referring them to the major article. As the French Nobility article currently stands it needs a lot of work before it could stand alone. Wikipediatoperfection 06:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of France

Hi--Given your knowledge on the topic, could you check the current History of France? Specifically the material on the Belle Epoque. I know some of it is bogus, but you will be better able to assess the whole enchilada. Thanks, JNW 02:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

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