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November 9: Muhammad Iqbal's Day in Pakistan; Inventor's Day in Germany, Austria and Switzerland; Schicksalstag in Germany.

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[edit] Really?

For a topic to be notable enough to be on this list, there must be an article on it. When one exists for this person (with evidence of his notability in the article) then he can be placed here -- Mason11987

Really? Says who? You? And you make the rules here? This is your article? 131.30.121.23 16:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

It is pretty much a common standard by editors working on the date articles. You must agree that if all people regardless of notability were allowed to be added to this list then it would become so long that it would prove quite useless. Also, according to WP:CITE you can't provide original research, which is what you are doing if you don't supply citations for your additions to this list. Since this list MUST be limited in some respects, it seems most useful to limit it with respect to our WP:Notability standard. If a subject isn't notable enough to have it's own article, why should it be included on a list populated solely by people who have their own articles? There is a note at the bottom of the births section (a similar note is at the bottom of the births section of every date article I believe) that expresses a commonly held idea:
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Do not add people without Wikipedia articles to this list
Do not trust "this year in history" websites for accurate date information
Do not link multiple occurrences of the same year, just link the first occurrence.
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I point you towards the first line, added by some other editor. With exception to the one other red link I just removed every birth, death or event on this list has an article associated with it. I invite you to visit every other date page on wikipedia to see if this is concurrent to what the dozens (perhaps hundreds) of other editors adding to these sections agree with. I briefly scanned Nov-1st through nov 9th and found one other red link in the birth-death section and I removed it. Many editors ([1] [2] to point out two examples from the last 3 or so days) have tried to formulate the best possible way of making these pages as useful and managable as possible.

I don't make rules, I'm trying to help out with one of a group of the most widely abused and misused pages on the wiki to try to make it useful by allowing only events/people that are notable. It would seem foolish to think that there shouldn't be a notability standard after all. Or else why wouldn't someone add their pet lizard steve? Or their cousin bob? The date pages aren't a place to decide notability of an article as it can't be argued well (or usefully) here. If there IS notability, then an article not simply stating notability but proving it via some of the suggestions on WP:Notability will show that. Until then I don't see why it should be on this list.

Also, while Google results aren't really "proof" of notability, the fact that there are zero matches for ( "Jake Bottero" philosopher ) kind of raises some doubts as to how "notable" he is. You'd think someone would have written about him if he was. Chris M. 22:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Muriel Degauque...

"Muriel Degauque becomes the first Belgian female suicide bomber."

Does that means she was the first Belgian suicide bomber, the first female suicide bomber, or the first Belgian female suicide bomber (was there already a Belgian male suicide bomber)? Kingturtle 14:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't write that, but I assume that since the line says she was "the first Belgian female suicide bomber", I think that the writer meant that she was the first Belgian female suicide bomber, not the first Belgian suicide bomber or the first female suicide bomber. Then again, I don't know, and I might not have understood your question. --Kevin (TALK) 19:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Entry for a Jeffrey Mervosh?

An entry for 1984 births reads "1984 - Jeffrey Mervosh, Future President of the United States". Who is this? JeffFerguson 12:40, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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