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Jack Horkheimer??

Hey there - When I saw your username, my first thought was that you might actually be Jack Horkheimer: Star Gazer, but I see from your user page that you're someone else entirely. (In case you're not familiar with him, take a look at http://www.jackstargazer.com/SHbio.html )

So, is that your real name? The reason I'm asking is, if it isn't really your name, taking it for your username would be frowned upon (disallowed, to be perfectly honest) under Wikipedia's policy on such things. At Usernames it explains as follows:

"Wikipedia does not allow certain types of usernames, including the following:

"Names of well-known living or recently deceased people, such as Chuck Norris or Ken Lay, unless you are that living person."

Presumably, if it actually is your real name, none of that would apply, as far as I understand the policy. Anyway, I thought I would bring it to your attention, just in case you weren't aware of the issue. Good luck - hopefully, they'll let you keep the name, if it's really yours!

Oh yeah, one other very tiny item: there's no need to move punctuation to the inside of quotation marks. Believe it or not, it's discouraged under the WP Manual of Style:

"When punctuating quoted passages, Wikipedia strongly prefers to put the punctuation mark inside the quotation marks only if the sense of the punctuation mark is part of the quotation (“logical” quotations). This is commonplace outside the US."

It takes a little getting used to when you've had the American style drummed into you all the way through school! :) But I've actually come to prefer it, after reading British papers on the internet for some years. Cgingold 15:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm not that Jack Horkheimer nor any Jack Horkheimer. I must admit, I was totally unaware of that policy when I created it. I guess I just resonate with JH's kitschy enthusiasm. I have been using it as a pseudonym for some time now, so I am somewhat reluctant to let it go; I wouldn't put up a fight tho if I was forced to change it. But I don't think the name needs changing for two reasons: I'm not sure Jack Horkheimer qualifies as "well-known" as the strict wording of the policy prohibits, although that term is pretty vague. Also, Jack Horkheimer isn't that distinctive or unusual a name I don't think.

Punctuation: thanks for pointing that out to me. I agree that it's somewhat of a relief, as I'd avoided putting non-native punctuation inside a quote, since that seemed the sensible thing to do, until I had the opposite drilled into me in higher education. --Jackhorkheimer 00:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Your user name

Before I take any action, I am going to suggest you change your user name. Someone else has already brought up the User Name policy with you, and you replied that Jack Horkheimer wasn't necessarily famous, nor the name unique. This is not the case, of course, as any Google search will pull results for only the Jack Horkheimer, and when I saw your user name I immediately thought of Jack Horkheimer, Star Gazer.

Changing your user name is actually a very easy and painless process. Simply file a request at Wikipedia:Changing username. All of your previous contributions and credits in article histories will now be assigned to your new username. If you do not, though, this account will simply be blocked and you'll have to start from scratch.

I know this is a bit annoying, and that you are fond of the name, but it is undoubtedly a user name policy violation that must be addressed. Thanks, --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 11:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to be tenacious about this, but you're right, I am fond of the username and it's been my net nom de plume for about three years now. But I would've given up by now if it was as clear (to me) to be a violation. I guess it depends on how you interpret the extremely squishy phrase "well-known". Is a host of a weekly five-minute public television show which is typically played at the end of the night well-known? I don't know. Most people who I give my e-mail address to usually scratch their head about what the name could refer to, given that it differs from my real life name. Also note that Jack Horkheimer doesn't even have a Wikipedia page.

Anyways, if you still think my username violates policy, I'll change my name or at least open a RFCN. --Jackhorkheimer 04:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but the name change is best. It protects the project and it protects you from getting blocked and losing all your contributions. There are plenty of alternatives ("Jack Horkheimer Fan" and whatnot), or anything else you feel is best that doesn't violate policy. It is a bummer, but in the end I would hope to think that we all gain from it. Thanks for your consideration with this. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 07:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, thought I'd ring in. I gave you a heads up about the username issue so you'd have time to think it over and work things out -- I figured someone else would come along eventually and press you on it. Now that you've heard from two different people, it should be pretty apparent that Jack Horkheimer is, indeed, a "notable" figure by Wikipedia standards. And as I pointed out, he does have his own article at Jack Horkheimer: Star Gazer. Gustafson's suggestion for a username seems pretty good to me; you could even make it "Jack Horkheimer's Number One Fan" or some variant thereof! :) Regards, Cgingold 07:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Nothing personal, but I've already heard what you think. Nothing is apparent from hearing two people. I've listed myself at WP:RFCN to try to get some more voices and a final decision so I can move on. And I never disputed whether he is notable or not, only whether he is well-known. --Jackhorkheimer 08:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. I hope it works out to your satisfaction. Cgingold 14:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)