Talk:North American GAA

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1 New York
2 Merge
3 Opening paragraph
4 Tidy Up
5 All American Championships
6 Clubs

[edit] New York

Should the New York material really be sent to a page of its own? I ask because we're now going to have duplication of anything written about the CYC because it straddles the three county boards' jurisdictions

The North American County Board of the Gaelic Athletic Association (Irish: Cumann Luthchleas Gael na Meiriceá Thuaidh) or North American GAA is one of the boards of the GAA outside Ireland, and is responsible for Gaelic Games in the United States of America excluding the New York metropolitan region, which is under the control of the New York GAA

The new york board is a county board by its own right , Its doesnt straddle any other boards are as far as i can tell as for the the cyc it should be spun off to an articial by itself . The North American board as can be seen above deals with us gaa excluding New York, as its fine to keep as it is (Gnevin 12:44, 16 April 2006 (UTC))

The CYC is nothing more then a tourny, basicaly the NA version of the club all ireland for youth teams. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 05:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

The CYC is more than 'just' a tournament. That said, I think it should stay here until there's enough content to justify it having an article of its own. --Eamonnca1 06:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

I have no problem with the merge, would keep to current usage. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 05:34, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Are we talking about pulling the New York info into this page? I think that would make more sense. --Eamonnca1 06:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

The merge was an old merge if memory serves it was to merge two pages one called GAA in America with this. New York are one of the 34 counties that compete each year and should be a stand alone page . (Gnevin 21:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC))

The GAA in North America is a bit different from the GAA in Ireland. The North American County Board doesn't have jurisdiction in all of North America, just the USA minus NYC, and Canada has its own board. This is potentially confusing to first-time readers. Also the CYC straddles the three county board areas. I think it's different enough to justify a unique approach, but there should at least be a brief paragraph about New York and a link to the main New York article. I think that's a fairly conventional wikipedia setup, right? --Eamonnca1 22:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opening paragraph

I've tidied up the opening paragraph as follows:

Put the three county boards into a bullet list (I like lists, they're clearer IMHO)
Removed superfluous links to Ireland and North America and New York Metropolitan Region, I don't think they're necessary here
Clarified that the NACB isn't the only board responsible for football, hurling and camogie teams in North America
Disambiguated 'football,' changed to 'gaelic football'

Sorry for the drastic changes, but I think that paragraph needed a complete rewrite. --Eamonnca1 22:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but i dont like it. Each county board in the gaa has its own unique quirks but it was felt that each board should have a similar intro. (Gnevin 19:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC))

'I don't like it' is hardly a reason for a revert. The opening paragraph was a mess before, now it's tidy. The GAA in North America is very different from the GAA in Ireland, so a bit of leeway in the opening paragraph is entirely appropriate. --Eamonnca1 23:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed superfluous links to Ireland and North America and New York Metropolitan Region, I don't think they're necessary here

The more links the better ,defo should be re add

I disagree. Too many links can clutter an article. If someone doesn't know what Ireland or North America is then there's something wrong. --Eamonnca1 23:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Clarified that the NACB isn't the only board responsible for football, hurling and camogie teams in North America

You have to remember this articial inst about the gaa in north america it's about the nacb it activitys .

Disambiguated 'football,' changed to 'gaelic football'

Other articials such as American_football disambig once . no need to spell it out every time (Gnevin 19:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC))

You have to remember this articial inst about the gaa in north america it's about the nacb it activitys .

Who says? The article title is "North American GAA," not "North American County Board." If it was called "North American County Board" then what you say would be true, but as titled, this article seems to be about the GAA in all of North America which includes all three jurisdictions. I really think that there needs to be some clarification about what the three authorities are, and the opening paragraph needs to read a lot more clearly. I don't want to get into an edit war over this, but I think the readability of this article has taken a step backwards with your revert. What do other contributers think? --Eamonnca1 03:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

All county board articials are called x GAA such as Dublin GAA, Cork GAA , New York GAA etc . This articial is about the nacb as per the naming policy (Gnevin 18:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC))

If this was a county board article it would be headed 'North American County Board.' --Eamonnca1 23:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

As i've said before is Dublin GAA not Dublin County Board ,same applies here (Gnevin 23:58, 15 September 2006 (UTC))

And as I've said before, the GAA in North America is a bit different from the GAA in Ireland. The NACB is a mis-named board, its jurisdiction does not extend over all of North America. First-time visitors to the page with no prior knowledge of GAA structures in North America will need this explained to them. --Eamonnca1 17:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tidy Up

I've just taken a fresh look at this page and I think it needs some major work. I think someone's done a copy-paste job from the hurling page, so I've tidied that up to integrate it better. I'm proposing the following:

Create stub for the CYC and begin loading content into that. I think it needs a page of its own to explain what it is and where it came from, that'll probably happen more quickly if we create a stub for it
Create stubs for Boston GAA (Northeast Board), Chicago (Central Board) and Philly GAA (Philly board) to keep consistent with there being one for San Francisco GAA (Western Board)
If this page is going to be just about the NACB, then the paragraph heading 'North American County board' in the bottom half of tha page becomes superfluous, better to change that to something else such as 'Future' or something.
History section needs some content from the 'North American Board' section

I'll come back to it later today and if there's no objections I'll go ahead and do that. --Eamonnca1 18:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

That sound fine, when you've got that done I'll make a template for GAA in North America with American and Canadian GAA on it (Gnevin 19:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC))

Okay, done. Those other divisional boards are red links, I'll add the stubs later. Good idea to have a template for North American pages, the standard GAA ones don't really apply. --Eamonnca1 01:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

GAA county boards and divisions in North America

Counties American - Canada - New York

American Metropolitan Divisions Central Division Board - (Chicago Area) Northeast Division Board - (Boston Area) Philadelphia Division Board - (Philadelphia Area) Western Division Board - (San Francisco Bay Area)

American Regional Divisions Midwest Division Board Northwest Division Board Southeast Division Board Southwest Division Board

Canadian Divisions Toronto - (East Canada) Western Divisional Board - (West Canada)

, what do you think? (Gnevin 14:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC))

Good job. Don't forget Philly. There are other divisional boards too, but they're not as noteworthy because they're really just an administrative structure for scattered clubs in smaller cities. Not sure what's the best way to handle them. See http://www.nagaa.org/clubs/divisions.php --Eamonnca1 18:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

How about this , please fill in the blanks for me (not in the template just say it here) (Gnevin 18:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC))

Getting there. I don't think it's the number of clubs that makes it a 'major' division though. For example, the midwest has as many clubs as western, but they're not considered a 'major' division. Major divisions are generally based within a city or metropolitan area with a high number of regular games every week. How about 'metropolitan divisions' for the big boys, and 'other divsions' for the others? I would also list them in order of size, so for Metropolitan divisions that would mean Boston, San Francisco, Chicago, and Philly in that order. Other divisions you could list alphabetically. --Eamonnca1 23:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh I know. How about 'NACB Metropolitan Divisions' and 'NACB Regional Divisions.' --Eamonnca1 23:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The trouble with listing by size is it would take to much explaining in the context of a template i'll change the headers now (Gnevin 23:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC))

Fair enough. I'd take out the trailing 'n' in North American in the heading. In the Canadian section I'd take out the words '(geographic region of control)' since it's kinda obvious. That divisions page on the NACB website will tell you what all the territories are for the other divisions. Washington DC is due to get its own division sometime soon since they broke away from Philly at the convention the other week, I'll let you know when that's ratified. --Eamonnca1 01:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I've just added the south west area how does that look , any other ideas ? (Gnevin 11:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC))

Maybe use the short hand and a link such as NM, Also should i change GAA in the title to Gaelic Athletic Association (Gnevin 11:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC))

Title is fine as is. Instead of counties I'd say 'county boards.' After 'American' add a space before the hyphen. Abbreviating states might help tighten it up, try it and see. Southwest board covers Southern California, not northern california. --Eamonnca1 18:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd also say that after you've added the template and county colours (blue jersey, white shorts) we can probably remove the tidy-up tag.

I removed the area's couldnt get it too look good , perhaps you could create a North American GAA regions and i could link to that (Gnevin 13:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC))

I think that looks great the way it is. I say we go with that. --Eamonnca1 19:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

You changed North West to northwest on the NACB site its North West thats why i used that. Is it a typo on the NACB site (Gnevin 12:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC))

Yup. I've just fixed it on the NACB site too. Now how about the county colours? If you could add that (blue jersey, white shorts, blue socks) we can probably remove the cleanup tag. --Eamonnca1 17:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok done if you link me to a picture of the kit i should be able to get it better (Gnevin 19:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC))

Here it is: [[1]] --Eamonnca1 21:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Changed thats ok i think (Gnevin 01:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] All American Championships

Having played in the 1990/1 All American championships in football in Boston for Chicago - (much alcohol and polica called to hotel to close supporters/players bar) it would be nice to extend the list back to this time and before. BustOut

If you can remember where all them playoffs were held then by all means add them. (Was that the year the cops showed up at the hotel in Braintree and arrested all round them because they were a bit slow to leave th ebar after closing time? I heard about that.) --Eamonnca1 22:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes it was - I must admit I was one of the innocent people arrested and spent the night in a cell having a drunken sing song. Buts that one for another day BustOut

[edit] Clubs

I've added a boatload of club links to the page (forgot to log in before doing it). If anyone can spot any dupes it'd be good to remove them. Should be fairly easy, my list is alphabetical. I just added the addresses of all NACB clubs that have websites listed on the nagaa website. I could also add all websiteless clubs with a link to the page on the nacb website that contains their listing, that way we'd have an external link for every club. It just wouldn't necessarily be a link to each club's website, but it would be a link to more info about the club such as the secretary's name and contact details. What do you think? --Eamonnca1 05:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

It's very long i'd suggest adding them to List of Gaelic Athletic Association clubs or creating one of the following

List of GAA clubs affiliated with the NACB
List of Gaelic Athletic Association clubs affiliated with the NACB
List of Gaelic Athletic Association clubs affiliated with the North American County Board

The second option would be my preferred option if we decide to create a new list (Gnevin 12:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC))

We could do that, we could also have a seperate section for media articles such as the National Geographic and Men's Fitness articles. I would go as far as suggesting we break it down into hurling, football, ladies football, and camogie clubs. I'll have to run the database query again on the NACB website to do that. There might be an issue with dual, triple, or quadruple clubs though. DC Gaels for example, they have mens and ladies football as well as hurling. Maybe put them into a section of their own? --Eamonnca1 19:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I've just realised you're proposing a new page to list the clubs. Is this the Wikipedia convention for long lists of external links? --Eamonnca1 19:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I've just checked List_of_Gaelic_Athletic_Association_clubs and North American clubs are conspicuously absent. I say add them there. I'll do it later, using a full listing of clubs with and without websites. --Eamonnca1 21:30, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've added them. We need to link to the appropriate anchor point in that page from here. Any idea how to do that? --Eamonnca1 06:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

List_of_Gaelic_Athletic_Association_clubs#North_America (Gnevin 12:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC))

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