User talk:Nomath
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Hi, I readthrough the newspaper articles scanned onto indymedia that you linked to. I could not find any mention of the SAS in S Armagh since 1971, or any mention of the SAS at all for that matter. Can you show me the exact quote? Thanks. Jdorney 14:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Kingsmill again
Nomath, it occurs to me that the problem we have on the Kingsmill page (leaving aside the various political viewpoints at work on all sides) is that you are trying to fit in two additional articles into the space of one. I suggest that you instead put your information in articles on the Reavey Killings and Billy McCaughey. What do you think? It is my opinion that the Kingsmill article has enough background information on collusion at present. The amount that you're trying to put in is unbalanced.
For what its worth, imo. Was there collusion in South Armagh (and elsewhere) at the time? Yes there was. Did this policy go right to the top? Debatable. WP must consider both sides. Does this explain or justify the Kingsmill killings? Absolutely not. And devoting half the article on it to collusion runs the risk of appearing to do this.
Jdorney 19:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Good point Jd, its too much, now that you have new articles a lot of that should be move over.--Vintagekits 15:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Harnden
My version is the 1999 one. Published in London by Hodder & Stoughton. ISBN 034071736X.
I think you are talking about the reference to the respective death tolls of Catholic and Protestants in S Armagh? In my version it is on page 131, in the Chapter, 'A Long Awaited Day'. Harnden says here that 19 Protestant and 11 Catholic civilians were killed here between 1972 and 1978, along with 4 retired UDR men and 11 off duty ones.
However, I removed this citation from the Kingsmill massacre page because it didn't tally with the CAIN chronology [1]. According to this, 18 Catholic and 6 Protestant civilians were killed in the locality in the second half of 1975 alone. Striclty speaking, not all the deaths may have been in S Armagh, some of them were technically in Down, some in Armagh city ("north Armagh"?) and two in Dundalk, but it seems a very abritrary distinction considering the small size of the area and the fact that the same people were doing the killing.
Hope that helps.
Regards, Jdorney 14:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
