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[edit] Einsturzende

Eimsturzende Neubauten belongs here..

not really, they belong in "industrial" music, they are an important part of that scene, which in turn influenced later "noise" music. Although some of their early stuff is "noisy", mostly their music is more conventional, and their output after about 1990 is much softer and more conventional.
But if one refers in particular to their early output ('Kollaps' and earlier tapes / bootlegs), one will notice that a lot of their music is very unconventional. Much of it is free-form noise, and the members themselves have said that a lot of the early tapes were just about totally improvised. I agree with your statement in relation to the majority of your output, though.

[edit] Removed then corrected link

Doom: I'm removing this link because it doesn't work:

(It looks like theonion doesn't like "deep-linking", so don't link to them, okay?)

Doom, again:

Ooops. Spoke too soon, they've just changed their link style to a databased-backed format:

http://www.theonionavclub.com/review.php?review_id=3941

So I fixed it, and won't bore you with my opinion of sites that "re-organize" and break all the links.

[edit] In Times of War

For the second time, I've removed the link in this article to In Times of War - IToW are a tremendously obscure outfit (I've certainly never heard of them, and they have no entry on AMG - I suspect the article was written by IToW themselves). To link them from here gives a misleading impression of their importance. --Camembert

I think the same can be said of Decree... There was a link to their website, which wasn't accessible to me. I can't find any of their music with a popular P2P system. So I remove the mention. If someone think it deserves to be mentioned: first write an article... Guaka 18:29, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Kudos

Comment from a useless Japanese editor ;) Well done "lexor" for keeping all the best information so far but making the whole article much more coherent and readable!

[edit] Comment

Comment from a noise fan:

Although this is a fair coverage of the major early noise artists, a lot of the focus (as well as the list of noise artists) seems to concentrate on extreme noise, of the Japanese Masona ilk, when there's so much other styles of noise out there. Not sure whether this is because the authors are less knowledgable of other genres such as free noise for example, and scenes built up around Bruce Russell and others, or whether it is by intent. For example Bruce seems to be categorised under Noise rock, when a lot of that scene is noise, free noise or even free jazz.

I'm a newbie to editing here, so I didn't know whether to just jump in and add the references or not, as it seems like a fairly big change to make Noise more generic and point to Free noise and other genres, and create a new Extreme noise. Or maybe this is just my Australian perspective on the worldwide noise scene coming through.

Wikipedia:Be bold in updating pages.  :-) Do what you think is most accurate, and if other people don't like it, they'll change it back.
I think I'd just leave it as one article, but I'm no expert on the various types. The templates categorize this as a type of industrial or electronic, so if you want to refer to noise jazz, probably should just make a see also link. - Omegatron 05:14, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] keep noise "simple" ??

I think it would weaken the article to remove it's focus from truly noisy, abstract music. There are plenty of articles about improvisation, noise rock, industrial, avant garde or whatever, but this one is about NOISE. The article already has plenty of links and references to "noise-related" scene like boyd rice or nihilist spasm band. Basically if it isnt harsh and noisy, why bother calling it "noise"? This also makes me wonder about the "categorization" at the bottom- it makes it look like there is some connection between "future pop" and "noise" because they are "electronic", when really this is like comparing Britney Spears and Diamanda Galas (because they are both vocalists). Just my opinion!

Yes! I'd like to see your idea implemented in a few other music definitions as well, they are far too inclusive and some are altogether wrong. I would, however, certainly say Boyd Rice deserves mention in the definition. Noise-based rock music is a pretty far cry from noise, I wouldn't say they are the same genre. Noise-based rock could be listed as a related genre but I agree that we really don't need any explanation of them here. If people want to learn about noise-based rock they should find it in it's very own entry! Sanctum 06:38, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

noise need not be harsh to be noise.

True, but if it's recognisably Jazz or Rock, I think that's not really worth including as "noise".


'it makes it look like there is some connection between "future pop" and "noise" because they are "electronic"' funny that I should see the same people at both a VNV Nation concert and at a Synapscape concert :) Just an observation! Of course, I would have to agree to a certain extent...even though I would tempted to say that the article title is both an oxymoron and a misnomer. The beginning of the article clearly states the views of Masami Akita, as are I'm sure close at least to the majority of us noise fans, that noise to noise listeners isn't really noise. Now I'm just rambling...reminds me of an Industrial Nation article I read about some noise critic who was looking what he called "listenable noise", complaining that it was hard to find noise of this type. That's even worse! The-dissonance-reports 20:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Er..VNV Nation and Synapscape are both EBM/Industrial Dance/Techno aren't they?? The Synapscape stuff I heard was just some fuzzy 4/4 beats kinda like Front242 through a distortion pedal. Certainly wasn't "noise".

[edit] esplendor geometrico

true, the web has limited info on this band, but they were the first to compose what truly is noise music and not just noisy music - as someone else pointed out -, in the late 70s.

there cannot be an article on noise without even mentioning esplendor geometrico. simple as that.

No they weren't. Look into 50's avant garde music amongst other things. Esplendor Geometrico are not a big influence on Noise Music. You'll probably find them in "industrial music" though.

[edit] magik markers

Sorry, I know this is the wrong place for requests like these, so if you know where to move this, feel free to do so. The Magik Markers deserve their own place on wiki.

So go ahead and write about them, you obviously like them. If anyone else cares, they will add information too. But anyway- they aren't a noise band, they're a noise-rock band.

[edit] stockholm syndrome

I would love some sort of explanation as to what the supposed connection between Stockholm Syndrome and noise music is. --Cpomeara 20:00, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

According to AMG they are rock ([1]). Hyacinth 00:00, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
I see, you meant Stockholm syndrome. I removed the reference to that here and the reference to this there. Hyacinth 00:08, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Now I *still* want to know why someone thought it should go there. Plus, why it was so obvious it should be removed. But mainly I want to know why it's there. And, if you're going to remove Stockholm Syndrome, why let cognitive dissonance stay? --Cpomeara 16:24, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
You didn't ask about cognitive dissonance. Hyacinth 19:51, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
It was added later. --Cpomeara 00:44, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "noize"

many people i know and club nights flyers i've seen in the uk use the word "noize" as a catch all for rhythmic/power/industrial noise, rather than in reference to actual noise music. although i have an interest in noise music, i'm not that involved with the noise music 'scene' itself so am unsure of the exact termanology that surrounds it, so my question is this; do people in the scene use "noize" to refer to actual noise music or not, i.e., would it be worth popping a line or two on this page noting the other usage, or would it be more of an idea to remove the redirect on noize and put some information there? --MilkMiruku 12:12, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

I don't believe anyone in the noise 'scene' uses 'Noize' to refer to Noise (harsh noise etc) ... maybe odd occasions where someone has spelt it this way, but generally Noize = noisy dance music, not noise. Most harsh noise scene people in my experience aren't impressed by this usage, or the music it refers to, thus wouldn't use the term themselves.
--82.153.192.221 18:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


This is true, from what I've seen. "Noize" tends to equal harsh dance music, a la Ant-Zen bands. However, many of these bands that are known for their power noize stylings have many many songs that could just be considered noise. But genre-bending is a good thing. PS - there's a noise scene? The-dissonance-reports 20:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Use MP3 not OGG

Someone should change the songs to MP3 seeing as most people including me don't have the technology to play OGG and there really is no point to use them whatsoever. Pointless technowankery.

Lucidmeatdream 19:09, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Ogg Vorbis is open source and does not require a liscense, while the MP3 is patented and requires a liscense to encode files... which means the majority of MP3 encoding software is illegal. I think that most would agree that a open format such as Ogg Vorbis makes the most sense for an open encyclopedia.
--timeheater 10:17, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Also, free players are available for most operating systems, see here.
---Bennie Noakes 19:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

See: Wikipedia:Sound#Audio. Hyacinth 09:18, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Mothers Against Noise"

I removed this from the page as it looks to be a joke. The only search results for "Mothers Against Noise" on the web are the site itself and messageboards with comments on it. --Graue 15:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removed link

I removed a link that showed up red. I had cut out vandalism from the bottom of the article, and based on the title, the vandalism, and the person who added all of that, I figured it was fake. If this was supposed to be there... sorry, just re-insert it. Linka 00:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I Am not a wikipedia member or whatnot, but I feel that the truth about MAN should be adressed. The Mothers Against Noise Movement is an actual movement of "mothers" who feel that Noise music in general is a destructive force on their teens. They hold regular protests outside of noise concerts and other noise based events.

[edit] Source for quote from Masami Akita

Where's a source for his quote about pop music being "uncomfortable sound"? Did he really say this? When/where? --jasker 09:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

It was in an interview...I can't remember exactly where I saw it. Maybe "the wire" magazine?

Byodd Rice is just a self-promotion.

[edit] Original research

There's so much of it I don't know where to start... erm, template I think. Cdh1984 19:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, geez, start somewhere; otherwise what is the point of the template? Doctormatt 04:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
How about the entire section entitled 'Noise music: fetish & obsession' for a start. It's either original research or unreferenced. Cdh1984 13:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I renamed the section and removed comments on fetish and obsession. The section is now "methods and inspirations" which I think the page does need, and I think it reads now a little less like someone's personal take on things. Citations are still badly needed for most of it. Doctormatt 19:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of original research, I'd like to remove the section on masochism; it's completely unreferenced, and just sounds like opinions. Anyone object? Doctormatt 19:50, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removing list of artists

I've removed the list of "major noise artists" as it only encourages people to add any random band they think of as "noise." It also doesn't add significantly to the article. Kellen T 12:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

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