Template talk:NoCoins
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[edit] Decimal Separator
I switched the decimal separators to come in line with SI standards, i.e. the point. Comma separated would be fine too, but the interpunkt is not in common use and inapprorpiate for Wikipedia.
[edit] Large edit
I've attempted to condense this down to a much smaller template that gets the same thing across. I was unaware of the previous edits by 12.x.x.x, however I am not that dude and am not trying to start (yet another) measurements/edit war by my changes. 68.39.174.238 04:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Object to template
I'm astonished to find this template! Are there any coins in current circulation that are, say, more than twice or less than half the diameter of a US quarter? The coin is not meant to be a *measurement* of the object in the photo but instead give the reader a quick perception of the order-of-magnitude of the size of the objects in the illustration. I also don't understand the "geographic" objection, either. Let's spend more time getting good pictures in the Wikipedia and less time harping about trivialities! --Wtshymanski 04:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- "Geographic" appears to imply that, for example, US residents will be more familiar with dollar based coins than with pound based or euro based coins. But I too object to the widespread application of this template for reasons that I have explained in the corresponding Commons template's talk page. --Damian Yerrick (☎) 19:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
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- I haven't been in a lot of countries, so I don't know how much coin diameters change world-wide. I'm sure this goes for most people. I do know that I haven't a clue how big US quarters (or any other money for that matter) is. I do know that the coins in my country come in different sizes, the smallest one quite a bit so compared to the largest one. That makes it possible that quarters are twice, or half as big as what I'd guess, which I proves the point the template is trying to make. (I'm not following the distinction you make between the parts before and after "I also don't understand".)
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- I suppose you could call this trivial, but even small improvements are improvements, and if you don't strive for perfect you'll never even get close to it. Most Wikipedia readers will never even get to see the template, so it won't bother them (where the alien coins just might), and the people editing Wikipedia will take notice and hopefully use a ruler instead next time... although of course it's less likely they'll have that with them at that time. I don't think this is a big deal either, but if an image can be exchanged for a better one one day... why not! Retodon8 17:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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- And how is "This coin is 24 mm in diameter" in an image description more ambiguous than "This distracting photoshopped-in circle is 24 mm in diameter"? This was the core of my argument on Commons. Not everybody has a decent metric ruler handy. --Damian Yerrick (☎) 03:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
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The problem is most images that use coin as a scale reference usually lack the text description of the coin size like you have diligently done with the image page, as well as the page that includes the image. Even if they do on the image page, readers who are unfamiliar with the coin won't know until clicking on the image and read the text description. It's not your fault if you don't have a metric ruler. Nor am I denying the contribution you have made. I'm just saying it would be better if a ruler is used instead (with high enough resolution, of course). If you agree that a ruler is better, than this template is useful in the sense that it makes editor aware of the issue. It has certainly got my attention. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 06:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- I don't think a ruler would necessarily show up that well when shrunk down to a 200px thumbnail. In order to read the markings on the ruler, the reader would have to click through to enlarge the photo, which would bring the description into view. See the infobox at the top of VHS. --Damian Yerrick (☎) 06:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
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- It's not the intention to scale an object against the coin! If you actually care about the dimensions of the object, give the actual dimensions. All the coin is supposed to show is if the object will fit in a pocket or need a fork truck lift. Are there any coins currently in circulation in the world which are less than one-half or more than twice the diameter of a US quarter? Presumably whoever's using a coin to give scale will pick a common coin, not a 5 ore Swedish coin or a 1912 Canadian penny. --Wtshymanski 02:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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- The coin used could be as small as a one-eurocent coin (16.25mm) or as large as an Australian 50-cent piece (over 31.5mm). That's an unacceptable margin. If you don't have a metric ruler to hand, don't put anything extraneous in the photo. It's just unhelpful clutter that reinforces a national bias. — Chameleon 03:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
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- I agree with Wtshymanski...a coin shows relative scale, not absolute measurement. Most articles will have an absolute measurement somewhere if you are truly interested. The fact that a coin could range from 16-31mm is pretty irrelevant when you're just trying to show that the object is "the size of a coin", instead of a paperclip, or deck of cards, or a bowling ball. Furthermore, I agree that a coin is a much better arbiter of size in a thumbnail-size picture than a ruler unless it is a very clear picture with a high level of zoom. Maybe the Wikimedia foundation could issue an official 25mm token that we could all keep in our pockets should a good photo present iself ;-) ---JD79 13:42, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
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What JD79 suggests may be a good compromise. Why don't we recommend all editor to use a coin that is similar to the following:
- US quarter: 24.26 mm
- Canadian quarter: 23.88 mm
- 10 pence sterling: 24.5 mm
- 50 euro cent: 24.25 mm
The 4 coins above have an average diameter of 24.22 mm. If you don't live in a place where one of the 4 currencies is used, find a coin that is closest to 24.22 mm. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 14:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
