Talk:Nine Inch Nails: Live

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[edit] Creating this again

This was formerly an article solely about what songs NIN had played live, which was rightly deleted as listcruft (see the page log). However, I have resurrected it in order to find a home for some unweildy information, moved at the suggestion of Dark Kubrick, to help whip the main NIN article up to featured status. There is also a list of guest performers that I have created largely from memory - please help find some proper sources for it. BotleySmith 21:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Songs not played live?

Is this section necessary? Most bands don't play every song in their catalogue live, and devoting a section to NIN doing so seems trivial. Also, a list of every song that NIN hasn't played is equally listcrufty to the previously-deleted list of songs that NIN has played live.

The rest of the article is quite nice. -- Rynne 19:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

It's a very, very frequently-asked question - and the fact that TPD and another of the band's big radio hits ("We're In This Together") haven't been played in public yet is pretty notable, I think. But delete it if you must. BotleySmith 21:14, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

The Perfect Drug has never been played live?! Surely that can't be true?Lugnuts 19:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

No, I don't want to delete it! I'd imagine it would of been played live, esp. since the heavy airplay rotation it got when it was released. Lugnuts 20:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Trent did an interview on the eve of NIN's 2005 arena tour saying that they had rehearsed the song, but it didn't fit in with the other material, given that lot of the synths and drum loops are unplayable. He also mentioned that it wasn't in his "top 100" NIN songs. Given that less than 100 unique NIN songs have been officially released, it's pretty safe to assume that he'd simply rather forget about it. BotleySmith 23:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Does it really need to include the EP tracks? Namely A Violet Fluid, Memorabilia, March of the Fuckheads, The Great Collapse, and Metal. I don't think anyone's dying to hear any of these live, and even if they are it should be obvious that none of them have been played.

It should be obvious that The Perfect Drug and We're In This Together haven't been played live, but obviously it's not; and it isn't obvious that Closer To God and Piggy (Nothing Can Stop Me Now) have been played, so leaving out other EP tracks isn't very conductive to establishing anything. I'm not arguing that the list should stay, but removing individual tracks from the list is pointless.

Perhaps some kind of rephrasing similar to: "nine inch nails have performed all tracks from their albums, with the notable exceptions of A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I and J, and with the notable inclusions of Z, Y, X, W, V and U, which are all lesser known tracks appearing on remix cds and soundtracks blah blah". That should eliminate the need for a list as such, while retaining the pertinent information - although it's going to be a very long sentence, and will need to include dead souls, burn and any other non-album songs that HAVE been performed live - ok, now i look at it, it's a terrible idea. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.254.103.149 (talk) 13:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

It should be obvious that The Perfect Drug and We're In This Together haven't been played live Why hasn't WITT not been played? Lugnuts 11:45, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Trent's official explanation now is that it's too hard to sing (apparently, the chorus is RIGHT at the top of his range - and "Last" goes a semitone higher); however, on the Fragility tour he told Chuck Palahniuk that he was tired of hearing it after working on it so much in the studio. BotleySmith 21:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, "We're In This Together" was just played for the first time, on top of "Last" the previous evening. :) BotleySmith 01:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Did Sunspots get played in Manchester last night, or did I imagine it?!? Maybe worth adding when longtime no-players get played for the first time on the article. Lugnuts 10:02, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

No, it wasn't. Also - Year Zero hasn't been released yet, so I'm taking those songs off the list until it is. BotleySmith 18:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think "At the Heart of It All" should be on there; it's an Aphex Twin track and not a remix. There are a couple of other tracks on there that are questionable, as well ("March of the Fuckheads" in particular)... BotleySmith 17:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Details about the live show

This article doesn't describe the live shows themselves. There are some possibly unique and noteworthy points to make:

• the screen that drops halfway through the set, onto which images are projected
  • Self Destruct: Eraser/Hurt/The Downward Spiral (video of the first 2 on Closure)
  • Fragility 1.0? La Mer/The Great Below/The Way Out Is Through
  • With Teeth: Eraser/Right Where It Belongs/Beside You in Time (political message: war footage and Bush, and how Trent was hesitant to play BYIT, but the proposed imagery effect convinced him otherwise)
• lcd panels
  • fragility 2.0: the 3 huge vertical ones that went up and down (that guy's commentary on AATCHB)
  • with teeth: the teeth panels, and the light grid/cage
• picture(s) from Closure/AATCHB or fan cameras, if these are allowed
• key songs:
  • intro recording to pump up the crowd: pinion/the new flesh/byit/pilgrimage (contrasted with the sudden beginning of Somewhat Damaged on the last tour)
  • use of samples
  • reworking of old material (e.g. Closer/The Only Time and Hurt)
  • the earlier lack of variability in the setlist (reason: the effort involved with the lightshow planning, or trent's perfectionism?)
  • Head Like a Hole = signature closer
• how Trent threw a mic stand at Vrenna and he still kept playing (Closure)
• corn starch, drugs, instrument destruction, self-destruction

I'm not sure whether to do anything with this, just felt like jotting it down. Pomte 10:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

There was a video component to "Eraser" (instrumental version) and "Subterraneans" on the Bowie tour — they projected onto the curtain separating NIN's equipment from that of Bowie's band. There was also an intro track for "Terrible Lie" on the Hate 1990 tour (though not on the Bowie tour). NIN also played "Now I'm Nothing" as an intro at Lollapalooza, which is a song that they've never recorded. Primary reasons for the unchanging setlists have to do with backing tapes: NIN usually plays to a fixed click track so that they can keep in time with pre-recorded samples. The problem with noting all this is that a lot isn't really verifiable (I got most of my information from bootlegs, for example). BotleySmith 16:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ya know...

if you guys were up for it you could create a list for live shows performed by nin. --AlexOvShaolin 04:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll link to the NIN Historian. Pomte 04:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)