User talk:NikoSilver/Archive 4

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Contents 1 My Sig (again) 2 To Ethnic Minorities in Greece 3 Republic of Jkelly 4 Portal:Greece 5 Discussion in Bomac's Talkpage 6 Signature shop 7 Border thingie 8 Interpretation of poll results in Republic of Macedonia/FYROM 9 Smiley Template 10 re: 3RR 11 Macedonia 12 Bouzoukia 13 Serbia and Montenegro 14 Greek Macedonians 15 Smile! 16 Greek Macedonia map 17 Comment 18 Oh no! 19 Question 20 The Royal Coat of Arms 21 Ottoman province 22 Formatting 23 Eurovision 24 Greek Macedonians 25 Montenegrin independence referendum 26 Ερώτηση 27 Category:Ancient Macedonians 28 Signature shop 29 Macedonian disambiguation page 30 Request 31 Arvanites and categories 32 Ha ha ha ha ha ha... 33 Various reasons to LOL 34 Hello :) 35 Category:Greek people by periphery

[edit] My Sig (again)

Discussinon moved to User talk:NikoSilver/Signature shop.

[edit] To Ethnic Minorities in Greece

...phge dyo boltes shmera... o fragkiskos meta thn koubenta allakse ton titlo kai to phge sto ethnic groups in Greece (dhladh allagh xwris shmasia) kai meta egw to phga sto minority groups in Greece. Nomizw ekei pou einai kala einai, alla prepei na prosexoume mhpws ginei pali kamia periergh metakomish.--   Avg    19:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I say we move it to "Ethnic Greeks who vote for gay rights". NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Republic of Jkelly

Well, I agree with you, as I have already agreed in that page before, again and again and again... I think the problem lies in what people tend to define as article improvement. For me, for example, (as for many other users, not necessarily Greek, like here and here), the ultimate article improvement for this particular article, would be to have a fairly elaborate analysis of the naming dispute. Hence, the name of the article itself, is a huge article improvement issue. The funny comments about your name (here and here), aim to illustrate that being a Republic does not necessarily require others to be forced to call you exactly as you demand! I find it very humorous and very improving. Ofcourse, you can disagree on my (and the others') priorities considering improvement, but you must admit that it is a very amusing parallel... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 08:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify; I'm not actually grumpy about it.Jkelly 20:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I knew you wouldn't be J. Your humor is evident. Did it make you think though?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, let's see.I don't think FWKAT would be automatically adminned.In fact, I think that when FWKAT discussed applying for EU admin membership, I would make it widely known that I would vote "Strong oppose -- username, also other issues.", and some other editors would think I was being completely unreasonable, while others would say "Well, Jkelly has been a trusted admin for a while now, and we should probably be careful here."Jkelly 22:09, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... You mean that you'd just oppose because he dared mess with your name -OR- would you oppose to FWKAT applying for adminship as FWKAT, rather than as "Republic of Jkelly"?I really am puzzled, but then again, maybe it was intentional... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Greece

Nick, what do you think of my tweaks to Portal:Greece (in terms of minority languages). Telex 20:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I like languages (quite evidently)! I just think that 1 or 2% minorities is not comparable to 25% as in Portal:Republic of Macedonia. Feel free to include them, although I'd think that most users would be interested to see the name in Greek only. (Ha ha, I can't imagine the length of the intro in Portal:United Kingdom!!!)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually there you would only have English, French, Welsh, Gaelic, Manx, Irish, Cornish and Romani. Telex 20:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

What about Hindi? Any more articles/portals you want to cosmopiltanize[sic]?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 21:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Hindi is an immigrant language, not an autochthonous language (of course even English is an immigrant language). So the test is has the language been spoken here for at least 200 years ;-) Telex 22:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I see. 200 years huh? Is this out of your head or is there a WP policy about it! :-) Also, can you point out some more articles to cosmopolitanize[sick of using sic]?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

It's off the top of my head. User:Macedonia's sockpuppets are really getting to me now - look at this [1]. There's only one word I can think of to describe him: κομπλεξικός. Telex 22:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, maybe you should tell him that his language didn't exist 200 years ago (but that would be off the top of your head, plus I really like languages anyway). I'll deal with him in a while. What about the part that apparently [sic]ens you?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

The fact that he seems to feel he has to prove that the country is sometimes called Macedonia by citing sources ;-) he's probably afraid the readers don't believe it otherwise. I'd revert him, but I'm on a revert fast right now. Telex 22:58, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion in Bomac's Talkpage

For some crazy html reason (maybe the width of the border of your boxes, or the gap between them) your userpage looks in all of my computers (I use 3) weird: The right-side box (width 35%) apears BELOW the left-side box (width 63%)!! I presume this appearance error happens to other users as well. I have made some small modifications for you, to go around that possible problem: I changed the left-side box width to 62% (-1%), the right-side box width to 34% (-1% too) and the top box to 98% (-1% instead of -2%, since it doesn't have a gap in-between boxes) for correct vertical alignment with the bottom two boxes. I hope you don't see any ...Greek POV push motives, in that change, but ofcourse it's your userpage, and you can revert it anytime!! :-)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 10:59, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe it! Greek propaganda on my user page. That's... Just kiddin . Oh it looks fine. Thanks anyway. Bomac 11:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Ha Ha! :-)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 11:23, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Signature shop

Discussinon moved to User talk:NikoSilver/Signature shop

[edit] Border thingie

Isn't it the border dispute, one of the main things discussed between two governments, the Kosovo and Macedonian government? Obviously it is not Serbia and Montenegro's border, because if it was, the Macedonian Govt would not care to discuss it with Kosovo's institutions. I think that is a border what is being talked about. Correct me if I am wrong. Ilir pz 00:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Well you're right, but, still, there's no official border just YET (or I may be wrong?). Anyway, I am sure you can rephrase, though... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 01:00, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Rephrase how? (speculating) You want me to include Kosovo in the brackets after SCG? Not sure I can do that, my conscience does not allow me to. How official should should the border be: Macedonia and Kosovo have border agreements, free trade through the borders, economic agreements, etc etc? Curious to hear your rephrasement. With all due respect to Macedonia as a country, and one of the neighbouring countries of Kosovo which we have the best relationship with, Ilir pz 01:06, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

FYROM borders Kosovo which borders central Serbia? Telex 01:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

...which borders Hungary? (sorry for being ironic) I have no idea. I just know that I wasn't predicting any status or anything, just said that Macedonia does border Kosovo, and for Kosovo's borders its government is responsible. Can't be clearer, really. Ilir pz 01:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Forgive me, but my concience does not allow me to equalise Kosovo with the rest of undisputedly distinct and separate different countries listed along. Despite the fact that I disagree with it not being separate. It's getting late (4am here), I'll log off soon, I won't re-revert, just try to make it as NPOV as possible by rephrasing (after SCG excluded as an option ofcourse). Also, a helpful tip: refrain from writing Macedonia (for the country) in a Greek's talk-page... Some of us think it's offensive... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 01:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

We are all sensitive about something, Balkans people. Sorry for unintentional mistake. I appreciate your comments. Logging off, too. Would look forward to rephrasing suggestions. Suggestions are always appreciated. g'night.Ilir pz 01:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interpretation of poll results in Republic of Macedonia/FYROM

Με το Poll τι έγινε; talk to +MATIA 11:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Read Talk:Republic_of_Macedonia#Poll:_Response_from_Cecropia and the comments below it. Apparently a new poll has started whether we accept a given interpretation of the previous poll. Your feedback is welcome. NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 11:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks talk to +MATIA 11:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smiley Template

After some thought I decided to create this smiley template, as I thought most of the arguments in the talk pages are due to misinterpretaion of what is being said, hopefully these smileys will help us (at least me !!) communicate in a much more friendly manner. Hope you all will like it.

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 «₪Mÿš†íc₪»  ^(T) 20:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Bravo Mystic! They're great! (I only wish you had more grumpy ones right now...)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

PS the more I see how beautiful the signature I designed for you is, the more I envy you!!!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:32, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: 3RR

I have full trust in the ability of the 3RR board to determine whether or not that's a 3RR violation, so I won't get involved. For what it's worth, though, I see no violation. Snoutwood (talk) 23:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

It is a theoretical 3RR violation, but it's more like blatant wikilawyering. Let's just leave it for now, the article's on steroids for the next 24 hours (if he doesn't want to violate the rule of course). Anyway, Deskana has already warned him not to revert again or he'll be blocked. He can't go ahead and block him now (I don't know if any other admins are interested). Telex 23:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure. It's not a 3RR violation because in the first edit he didn't revert: he was adding the information. Then he reverted three times. Another time would be a violation. Does that help? Snoutwood (talk) 23:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

All he has to do is revert four times, to any reversion, and that's a violation. In this case, he'd have to add the phrase one more time (thus reverting the removal), and that'd be that. Snoutwood (talk) 00:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonia

Have you seen this - do if you enjoy a good laugh. Telex 21:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I am stalking you and saw it from Miskin's talk. :-)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 21:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Why on earth would you indulge in such a boring practice? Tell me, do you think they actually believe the stuff they write, or are they just being provocative? Telex 21:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Earth? That reminds me of something... Oh, and yes. They do believe what they write because unfortunately their education system is completely biased and it is impossible to get it out of their heads. Gladly there are other nationality users (like you) here, who re-confirm. It is evident also by the phrase of the Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs on the issue:

The best example of this (springboard for distorting reality) is to be seen in the content of school textbooks in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

I only wish they are enlightened somehow, and start reading something else for a change... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 21:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I could read a ton of greek books but it will not change what was told to me by my grandparents and my great-grandmother. I'm a Macedonian and It's a fact. Deal with it. --Realek 22:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

But ofcourse you are a Macedonian. Nobody disputed that. It's just that there are other people too from other ethnic groups that are called Macedonians, like the Greeks. Your monopolization of their name is offensive, not your using it, because it messes with their right to self-identify as they want. Is this ok, or is it fascistoid too? NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually there is no ethnic group called Greek Macedonians. They are members of the Greek ethnic group and "Macedonian" is a geographical adjective. I'm sure you understand this but you seem to think that it helpes the anti-Macedonian cause and keep pushing it despite being obviously false. Another thing: it is funny that you claim it is Macedonia who monopolises tha name! Last time I checked it was Greece wich is trying in void to rename my country/people/language because all Macedonian stuff is supposedly some kind of greek brand. --Realek 22:34, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

The Slavic Macedonians were members of the Bulgarian ethnic group until Tito changed their minds and they became an ethnic group in their own right. Had Yugoslavia annexed an ethnically Greek portion of Macedonia, then the Greek Macedonians would have become the Macedonian ethnic group (just a thought). Telex 22:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I didn't say "ethnic group", I said "other people from other ethnic groups". Meaning, part of the Greeks self-identify as Macedonians too. Are you implying that an autonomous republic status suddently would give them the right to monopolize the name of the region too? Since when are people inferior for belonging to a greater country? (now THAT is fascistoid!) Just read the link to the Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs. No Greek patents, no Greek monopolization. You're free to use it. The suggestion is not to use it alone, but find a way to disambiguate, as the Greeks certainly would too. Goodnight.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:45, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, 51% of the region of Macedonia is in Greece and 55% of its inhabitants are ethnic Greeks. If anyone should be monopolizing the name, it should be the Greeks (who speak a different form of the same language as the ancient Macedonians spoke according to Franz Heinrich Ludolf Ahrens). Telex 22:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Couldn't care if it were 99%. As long as there are people in the same region, my pov is that it is offensive depriving their right to self-identify as they want, by monopolizing the name of the region. Other than that, numbers, history and language are just details, that add to this Human Right of self-determination. Oh, and GOODNIGHT, already!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Typical flooding with confusing false and unrelated statetements to hide the point. --Realek 23:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Either that, or you can't refute them ;-) Telex 23:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually I wont waste my time on confronting irational things that refute themselves. That would be very foolish of me and a inexcusable waste of my time. --Realek 23:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Either that or you can't refute them ;-) Telex 23:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Number 1 in both cases ;) --Realek 23:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I think you should let the others who read this discussion to judge this.... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 09:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bouzoukia

Aman pia! 8a kleisoun ta mpouzoukia me th wp! NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 00:31, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

LOL!:). Tha pigaina simera, alla to akurwsa... --Hectorian 01:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Ki egw! Oi filoi mou einai Makropoulo, alla protimhsa ouiskaki kai WP... Mhpws eimai wikiholic?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 01:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Hehe! Mipws wiki- kai alco-?:) --Hectorian 01:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Protimisa na kanw portmanteau... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 01:48, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Molis ematha mia kainourgia lexi... --Hectorian 01:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Mallon 8a thn kataxwrhse kapoios alkoolikos pou tou aresei kai h WP... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 01:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Serbia and Montenegro

Wow, you put my country in first place at the "places I've been to" section. How do you like Serbia? Where exactly did you go? --serbiana - talk 01:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I liked everything! First of all I liked the warm welcome of Serbs! Then I liked Danube and the games between water and earth with Ostrvo (<-correct?) and Kalemegdan. I liked Gazela and the other bridge, and I was amazed to find out that all of you just sat there gazing at the bombs in order to protect it! I liked Novi Beograd for its wide streets and great rymotomy. I liked Bulevar (Alexandra) and Knez Mihailova shopping. I liked Zemun. I liked the floating restaurants. I liked the steaks at Knez Milos restaurant. I even liked Panchevo (and sincerely think it is underestimated regarding land-value as I am certain that there will be a Novi Novi Beograd sometime over there). I also went to Nis and to Novi-Sad. The impressions were similarly good! I am anxious to revisit soon...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 01:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I get the impression that you appreciate Serbia more than I do ;-) It makes me sooo glad to hear that people like Serbia and would like to visit it again. You didn't visit one beautiful city not far from Novi Sad, and thats Subotica, my city. It's not big, but it has a large centre with wide streets, not as big as the ones in Belgrade, but certainly as charming. There is also a beautiful lake next to Subotica, called Palić, I hope you get to see it one day. If you ever need a place to stay in Serbia, feel free to contact me, most of my family is in Serbia and I go there every summer. Also, if you want to visit Vancouver, don't worry about the accomodation. When did you go to Serbia? Do you speak any Serbian? (I'm sure you know hello and goodbye: ćao) I have a lot of Greek friends here in Vancouver, so I know a little Greek, but not enough to endulge in a conversation. I've been to Greece a few times, but I was really young and don't remember much. I'd like to see Athens and maybe even go on that Aegean and Ionian Sea tour you are recommending. When I decide to go, you could recommend a route and places I should visit :-) I love to travel and have been to 20 countries. I'm always thinking about which places I should go to, since you've travelled more, I'd love to hear your thoughts on which places are worth visiting, and which ones aren't. All the best, --serbiana - talk 02:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

P.S. You can answer here, I'll just put your talk page on my watchlist, if thats ok with you :-)

No problem wathching, after all check remark #3 above :-D!! Subotica seems great in WP, I'll definitely visit it next. It also has a substantial population for my business. Regretfully, I don't speak any Serbian (apart from curses like picku madre and dobredan/dobrevecer/hvala/racun/voda etc). I see we've mostly been to the same countries! Thanks for your proposed hospitality, likewise, whenever you try Athens, I'll be glad to help! And don't even think of missing that Aegean-Ionian tour, it's a sin! About destination suggestions, —yeah, as if I've been all over the world!— :-( I guess it depends on what your interests are. Are you romantic or a party animal? Summer or winter? Culture or modern? Sea or mountain? Alone or with a girl; just with her or with company? Just give me a hint and I'll help with what I know...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 15:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... I'm more of a romantic person, not that much of a party animal. Time of year doesn't really matter, I prefer summertime, simply because the weather is nicer. As far as culture is concerned, I enjoyed watching the buildings of Old Jerusalem and the Roman theatres in Sicily as much as I enjoyed going up the CN Tower in Toronto and the Eye in London. So, culture and modern stuff are equally interesting for me. I prefer the sea, even though I've been to a bunch of mountains, I don't really enjoy it that much (I lived in Vojvodina most of my life, where everything is flat; don't like climbing mountains). I would either travel with my girl, or just with friends. I'll definately contact you before I go to Athens, I'd like to meet you in person. As I see it, there are two types of people, the ones that don't like to travel, and the ones that do. I'm a filmmaker (check out my website) and I could make a documentary about the Aegean-Ionian tour (just like they do on the Travel channel). You could tell me what sort of trips you prefer, and I could give you my recommendations on what to visit. All the best, --serbiana - talk 17:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

No problemo, contact me whenever you have time :-) If you have MSN, add my e-mail: bormalagurski@hotmail.comAll the best, --serbiana - talk 05:51, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, then. If your pref is romantic, summer, cultural, modern, sea, flat, with girl and maybe some friends, then I'd definitely suggest the Aegean/Ionian tour:

• Sea and summer: If you charter a yacht along with your friends, you can definitely enjoy the sea and summer.
• Cultural and modern: You'll land in Athens, so you can get your cultural dose in Acropolis and some museums. Athens is a modern city too, although I wouldn't compare the CN tower to anything here.
• Romantic with girl and maybe some friends: Sounds a little contradicting, so you need to have the option to do both. If e.g. you go to Myconos or Paros or Ios, then you and your friends can party, enjoy night-life, beach-bars etc. If you go to Santorini or Astypalaia or Amorgos or Milos or Polyaigos or Kimolos, it's much quieter, pictoresque and cultural. My favorite nights with my boat are the deserted beach BBQ parties with friends. Sometimes the sun wakes me up on the sand...
• Flat: Well, I think I'll dissapoint you with this. There's no such thing in Greece, apart from limited plains and valleys on the mainland. Greece is carved by the sea and the ancient volcanic explosion of Thira (they say the tsunami crossed Gibraltar and devastated even Mexico!) Cliffs, hills, mountains and canyons are the drill here, and that's what makes it so beautiful. I suggest you just watch them and don't climb any!

More details when you actually decide to do it...

PS. Your site is really cool!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, actually I talked about the tour with my gf and she thinks it's a great idea, we might even go next year!!! The tour sounds like paradise (well, except the mountains part, but I'll manage somehow :-)), I can't wait to experience it! --serbiana - talk 22:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep in touch, I'll fill you in with little details once you book it. Hell, I might even help you design your Odyssey's itinerary... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure :-) --serbiana - talk 22:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greek Macedonians

Molis dun afti to kenuryo arthro, tha skasun. Telex 20:08, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

8a frontisw na to doune, mhn anhsyxeis... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:12, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Prepei na epikinonisoume to sintomotero!!! Simera distixws den ginete! Prepi se merika lepta na parastw se mia simantiki ekdilwsi, sorry. Ti les gia avrio? --Asteraki20:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Ayrio paw gia psarema. Mporei to brady.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:24, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Afto to 'ΔΙΣ' simainei epanalipsi ekeinou pou grafei apo panw? --Hectorian 21:26, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Profanws... den milaw gia lefta... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 21:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Tha 'theles na milouses gia lefta:p. OK, tha kanw o,ti mporw. (kala na peraseis!) --Hectorian 21:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Afto kanw twra:) --Hectorian 21:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

To eida. koita kai to category kai baze category se opoious 3ereis (opws ekana edw fer eipein... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 21:56, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Eyxaristo! Proti fora mou dinoun asteraki. :) Miskin 00:01, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smile!

You didn't answer my last reply, so I thought that you were angry for something. --HolyRomanEmperor 18:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greek Macedonia map

What did you do to the map - they both look identical to me (even after clearing my cache)? --Telex 21:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I uploaded a new version. Check Image:LocationMacedonia-HEL-1-z.png#filehistory to see it. Maybe the servers are slow in updating. Mine looks fine though... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 21:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see - Vojvodina's border with central Serbia. --Telex 21:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's one of those rare times when users (FunkyFly) actually do paste their messages in the correct place (right after the Voivodina border discussion)!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 21:43, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

Katalauenw auta pou me lete, kai sas euxaristo gia tis sumboules. Aplos neuriazw otan vlepw ti grafoun oli autoi oi ilithioi giati tin istoria mas. DRMAKA 04:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Mhn anhsyxeis, "agali agali...", "to kalo to palhkari..." kai "pisw exei h axlada..." :-)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 08:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oh no!

Lets argue about it on the talk page! - FrancisTyers 14:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Do you like the image I have on my userpage. I've been thinking of replacing it with an image of a telex, except, I don't really like it. What do you think? --Telex 13:54, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I prefer a telex machine. I hate this telex machine. Better search for another one... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 15:48, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Royal Coat of Arms

Regarding this image - Image:Macedonia Royal Coat of Arms.JPG - I was wondering, has the Vergina star been discovered anywhere else, and has a coat of arms been discovered with it, it is this a work of fiction?  /FunkyFly.talk_   19:01, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Some crazy nationalist Greek archaeologist stole it from "Makedonia" square Skopje and planted it conveniently in Vergina.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:20, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

It is a work of fiction - someone should tag it appropriately with {{hoax}} or {{unsourced}}. --Telex 20:22, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh really? Do you have a non-partisan source that disproves it? Give us a break, it's a 100% Macedonian, therefore it belongs 100% to "Macedonia" and the "Macedonians".  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:25, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Oops, I forgot. I tagged it a few days ago. BTW Niko, you've got mail. --Telex 20:26, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, but has the star shown up anywhere else?  /FunkyFly.talk_   22:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I'd leave it as it is to let them ridicule themselves for including it in their user-pages. Have you seen it in any article?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 23:02, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

It's easy to see where it is used in the list below. What I meant by shown up is being found at other archaelogical sites? Btw congrats for the 10000 article in el.wikipedia (finally) :)  /FunkyFly.talk_   23:04, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

No idea, don't think so. Tks 4 gr:wiki. It seems we should work more there, than here. (glad to see it increase by 1pt size, although the next one will be tough!)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ottoman province

Something is wrong with the map. It does not show any region.  /FunkyFly.talk_   19:54, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

That's the point.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 19:57, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Eh? You're kidding?  /FunkyFly.talk_   19:58, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Nope. Macedonia dissappeared for 4 centuries or so. Read Wilkinson quotes in Macedonia (region)#Boundaries and definitions and in Talk:Macedonia (terminology)#Byzantine province!!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:00, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Then the map should not be included at all. Empty map does not make any sense.  /FunkyFly.talk_   20:10, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Funky no. That's the point. It will help me later on in illustrating that todays Macedonia region as defined in the map above is just a pile of crap. See the comments between me and Francis after my copying the Wilkinson quotes in the Talk:Macedonia (terminology)#Byzantine province. It is evident that Britannica and Wikipedia are victims of MacSlav partisan sources in defining the area to include fYRoM and "Aegean" and "Pirin" Macedonia. Please bear with me until I get back from Morocco. By the way, the caption illustrates that clearly!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:15, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, I was under the impression that an Ottoman province of Macedonia did exist (possibly including the Bitola or Skopie vilayet). I'll read on.  /FunkyFly.talk_   20:18, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Fooling everybody else is believable. Fooling people like you and me is just amazing!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:22, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, so if I get it right, the present day region was located in Western Rumelia? (since Eastern Rumelia was part of Thrace) I'm looking at this map.  /FunkyFly.talk_   20:29, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't defined fullstop. And we all know what "Rumelia" stands for... The most important thing, is that the present Macedonia (region) map coincides absolutely with all partisan MacSlav sites! Many such examples had been humorously linked in the talk by Telex. Check them out! (I'll have to get a raincheck on this talk)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Formatting

Shoot :) - FrancisTyers 16:38, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, the politics infobox is still screwed up for me. - FrancisTyers 16:51, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Eurovision

I watched the Eurovision song contest yesterday, It was difficult to find a broadcaster here in Canada... So I watched it over the internet. Very nicely organized, Greece really did a great job :-) I'm not that satisfied with the winner of the contest, I was hoping that Bosnia or Greece would win, but they didn't :-( Oh, well, there's always next year... --serbiana - talk 07:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Same here. I'm in Marakesh and I saw it in "France 3". I liked the organization too, it seems the Greek organizers have gotten the hand of it after the Olympics. I'm not satisfied with the winner either (I even preferred "We are the winners of Eurovision" to it.) Anna Vissi's voice is really something, but the song wasn't really up to the Eurovision pop standards. Bosnia was nice too. I hope the childish votes will be less next year in Finland...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 12:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Yea, thats the problem with Eurovision, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are always gonna vote either for Russia or Ukraine; Croatia, Slovenia and FYROM for Bosnia or Serbia; baltic countries for baltic countries... It's not fair, people are not voting for the songs they like, but rather for the countries they like. How's Marakesh? I've heard nice things about it :-) --serbiana - talk 18:47, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, the same goes for Ireland & UK, Greece & Cyprus, Monaco & France etc etc etc. I think Eurovision is a waste of diplomatic resources! Marakesh is nice, and the people are very friendly. You need to be especially patient to get rid of the myriads of "guides" that jump to you for a sight-seeing tour all the time, and all the henna-tattoo specialists that forcefully grab your hand to draw Vincent van Gogh on it. There are nice tours in the southwest to see Berber tribes and old traditional villages on the Atlas mountains. Essaouira is a nice port 2 hours drive away, and the people there act much more European (the sea was always a means of becoming cosmopolitan). French language is quite necessary, and French tourists are unavoidable! Not too much hardcore islamic interpretation of the Qur'an; even the young king shows publicly his wife's face. Need to be cautious with certain Berbers on the mountains, though (eating only with the right hand etc)...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 23:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greek Macedonians

Hi Andrea, sorry if I sound agitated in the deletion vote. It's not personal, nor do I suppose that you don't agree (at least in part). I just wanted to make a point for the rest of the readers/voters. I'm also thinking of modifying my vote according to Telex's (and apparently Aldux's and Lukas') more rational proposal. Btw, you've got mail!

PS: Glad to see you're using the sig! I hope you're not doing it out of pitty, since I sounded like a 5-year-old... I was just trying to be funny, don't take it litterally! :-)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 00:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Niko, thanks for your input. You are right, I know that Alexander the Great did not say "dobar den", after all I was born before the SRM, and I learned Greek History at school in Germany. And yes, WP is here to educate people. Here I come with another anecdote (a true story told to me by my mother): she met some American ladies in Sweden that had the following conversation:

I visited Austria, a lovely country. - How could you communicate with the Austrians, do you speak Austrian?

(Why Americans? They could be of any other nationality, but Americans have the disadvantage of living in a huge country, so they have relatively little contact with other nationals).

More seriously: the Macedonian question is indeed tricky (as are many other ones in different ways). The episode with the French TV moderator is deplorable (provided she was not joking). Fortunately, the non-relatedless of Slavic and ancient Macedonians is explicitlely pointed out in WP where appropriate, so I do not believe that a WP user would not know (I suppose that the French moderator had not read the articles on Macedonians (ethnic group) etc.). On the other hand, I think editors should avoid (when possible) edits that can be seen as provocative. Imho, the category in question does not do any good for the Greek cause because it can be seen as reinforcing the opinion that Greeks are overly nationalistic. So I agree with you in principle but I disagree in some points.   Andreas   ^(T) 00:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Ha! Thank god they didn't ask how an American speaker can communicate in England! No, they (two men speakers), were not joking. I would have got it, as I got most of the other jokes (even the one about Anna Vissi being the oldest singer in EU!) Fmore, I was with a bunch of fluently Francophone Morrocans here in Marakesh and some of them turned to me with a *duh?* face! You may be right about the disambiguation of the present Slavs with the Ancient Macedonians. What I don't understand is why a self-identifying Greek cannot be recorded as such. It's not a matter of nationalism, but rather a matter of disassociation of Ancient Greeks from their Fallmerayered inheritors (NOT necessarily offsprings, just inheritors): The modern Greeks. Pmanderson/Septemptrionalis who nominated it, is used to such attempts, which is evident from Talk:Greeks and his edits in the said article about my people... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 01:28, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Βαρέθηκα τις μαλακίες. Μάλλον τη βλέπω για απαξίωση την Βικιπαίδεια. Τέτοιου είδους εμπλοκές απαξιώνουν το ίδιο το σύστημα. Σε όποιον κι αν πεις ότι οι Σλάβοι υπήρχαν στην περιοχή σε οποιαδήποτε ταξινομημένη αρχαία περίοδο γελάει. Τώρα πώς φτάνουμε στο σημείο να αλλάζουμε έτσι την ιστορία με εκπλήσσει. Στο τέλος θα με κάνουν εθνικιστή. Επί του παρόντος δεν έχω βρει κάποια αληθινά ουδέτερη άποψη για την περιοχή. Είτε σε βιβλίο τη βρω είτε σε κείμενο θα στη στείλω.--Kalogeropoulos 07:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Niko, check your mail. Lukas ^(T.|@) 10:19, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Montenegrin independence referendum

Hugh, things are changing so rapidly - I no longer no what's the actual result of the referendum. ;) --HolyRomanEmperor 15:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why this should happen, I don't know if it is for better or for worse for both the Serbs and the Montenegrins. I don't know how a 60% clear advantage for "No" in polls can turn out to a marginal 55.4% (55% was needed) for "Yes". God bless Montenegrins and Serbs, if that was their original intention, and if intentions are generally correct (depending on how you define "correct"), but something here is fishy... If it's not, I eat my words...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 16:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, that was not their original intention - in the 1992 referendum to keep Yugoslavia with Serbia between 90% and 95% ov the voters votes Yes. Montenegro has been lobbying for independence for years. Remember that propaganda, as always, has messed its fingers into the matter. Also, the leaders of the State Union of Montenegro (100% of its diplomatic leadership abroad and actually the PResident) are Montenegrins - so, the Montenegrin independence was presented as a state policy of the State Union - and there was no problem in lobbying it abroad. Have I made things clearer? --HolyRomanEmperor 13:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

It's just that 1992 was before the genocides in Bosnia, before the Kosovo war and before the NATO bombings, before it was known how bleak the EU prospects of the country are when failing to hand over Mladic, and before Yugoslavia became a dirty word for the rest of the world. Othwerwise things are pretty similar.  /FunkyFly.talk_   16:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Guys, I really have no idea in this. I've only been told that Montenegrins are in fact Serbs that live in Montenegro. Am I misinformed?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 00:41, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Both yes and no. Over 32% of Montenegro's citizens are ethnic Serbs; around 65% of them are Serbian-speakers and over 75% are Orthodox Serbs. There is also the situation that all who nowedays declare Montenegrins through their nationality are of Serbian origin. It's like this - in Montenegro, a nations was first formed (Serbs) and an ethnic group is being formed just now (Montenegrins). Have I helped you a bit? --HolyRomanEmperor 14:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Helped? Actually I am now more confused than I was before! I guess it's not because of your explanation of the situation being complicated, but because of the complexity of the situation itself!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 15:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, shoot - I guarrantee that I will be able to explain everything. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ερώτηση

Πσστ, εσύ που έχεις καλό γιούζερπειτζ, τι νομίζεις ότι πρέπει να κάνω για να βελτιώσω το δικό μου; --Telex 00:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Σιγά το καλό. Θα έλεγα να κοιτάξεις να αντιγράψεις κανα Σκοπιανό. Αυτοί έχουν τα καλύτερα, και μη χαλάσουμε και τη συνήθεια, να εξακολουθήσουμε να ληστεύουμε πράγματα από αυτούς. Μετά τον Μεγαλέξανδρο και την Ιστορία, ας τους πάρουμε και κάνα гјуѕер-пеинтѕ...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 00:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Ancient Macedonians

Niko, instead of amusing yourself with nonsense selfidentification, could you have a look at Category:Ancient Macedonians? User:William Allen Simpson is playing logical games there in order to remove my categorization of Ancient Macedonians as Ancient Greeks and as Macedonians.   Andreas   ^(T) 02:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I've really "mixed my thies" (Greek expression) on that one... Flying back in a while, see you tomorrow...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 08:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Andrea, thanks for the intervention. I'm really behind in this, so please fill me in if anything else is needed.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 00:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Signature shop

Niko, you had provided me with a series of coloured user name alternatives. I lost them. I think you had placed them in another Greek user's page. Mipos thimase? Ta leme file, Politis 15:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. There were so many people interested in this, that I openned a Signature shop. Feel free to browse in its talk-page and find them. If you want additional modifications, paste your comments there. I'll be glad to help...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 17:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonian disambiguation page

Seems that someone is deleting the region and the Greek administrative area from the disambiguation page under 'Macedonia'. Shame. Dr. Manos 17:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Niko, give me your opinion on this edit summary from mkwiki: Greek Macedonia DOES NOT EXIST, Greek Macedonians DO NOT EXIST, Greeks are Gypsies, MACEDONIA TO THE MACEDONIANS! Do you now understand why they are not in the EU. --Telex 18:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

In this particular edit, the Vergina symbol on a blue background was replaced by one on a red background. As far as my limited Slavic skills allow me, it says in the new caption that this is the national symbol of the Makedonski. I took the liberty to revert this.   Andreas   ^(T) 18:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Message from our government:

We are sorry to inform you that your edit has been reverted. After conducting careful evaluation of its text, our committee reached the conclusion that its inclusion in the article will jeopardize the international positions and harm the image and prestige of the Republic of Macedonia. We apologize for our language, however, we must follow our strict protocol. Good luck.  /FunkyFly.talk_   20:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

PS. I bet 100 bucks that 3RR will not be enforced for that article.  /FunkyFly.talk_   20:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I guess thatnow I can count myself as a proud member of the Roma community.   Andreas   ^(T) 21:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

The differences in both versions are:

• The introduction in mine is:

• Aegean Macedonia or Greek Macedonia (... some other names...) is a territory of Greece which is the southern part of the region of Macedonia.

• In his, it was:

• Aegean Macedonia (... some other names, but not Greek Macedonia...) is a territory of ethnic Macedonia which today is part of Greece.

• In mine the flag was:

• The Greek Macedonian flag with a caption saying: the flag of Greek Macedonia and of the Greek Macedonians.

• In his, it was:

• The old FYROM flag with a caption saying: national flag of the Macedonians with the Star of Kutlesh (Vergina) a Macedonian national symbol.

Alas, mkwiki is very POV. Just below, it says that there are 420 000 - 450 000 (19,09% - 20,45%) "Macedonians" in "Aegean" Macedonia, and that they form 88% in "Lerin" (Florina) and 79% in "Voden" (Edessa). I didn't even attempt to fix these. --Telex 18:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Telex, please get into the trouble of correcting the whole page, and I'll help in rv's to your version. These edits not only harm Greece, they also harm peaceful and rational people from fYRoM. Imagine the international disgrace that such POV will have when impartial thirds read this garbage. It will destroy every single chance these people have to decent self-determination and diplomacy...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 00:37, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Hey Niko,

Could you join the discussion here? It's concerning whether or not the UN has recognized the Pontian Greek Genocide. Thanks. —Khoikhoi 03:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 08:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arvanites and categories

Hi Niko, re. your categories edits at Arvanites: this is related to an ongoing category deletion proposal, can you please have a look at [2] Cheers, Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. You really need a dab notice for non-native-English-speaking Greek readers in this one, or at least a nice infobox in the talk-page. That, or the dictionaries should translate "national" to "κρατικός", "ethnic" to "φυλή" or "εθνικό φύλο", and "minority" to "υποσύνολο" or "τμήμα". Jesus! Did we point out an example of English language actually being richer than Greek?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 15:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Normal procedure involves sending an e-mail to the "pack of wolves' mailing list" and one of the wolves will help you (that's Apostolos Margaritis terminology btw). --Telex 15:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Where does one subscribe to the list? And, can an editor be part of two packs of wolves simultaneously? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know - see the last section of User talk:Aldux, and ask the creator of the term, User:Apostolos Margaritis. --Telex 16:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

And modify the list in my comment there to add "a Tyrolese" after Italian if you agree...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 16:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Tyrolese? Me? I self-identify as a Celtovandalosilingovenedopolonofrancosaxocheruskan. Don't insult my national feelings by implying I am Bavaroslovenoitalian! Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Stop impersonating you amateur imposter of a sockpuppet! Your name implies a linguistic joke understood only by Tyrolese people with superb grammar skills! So, as far as I'm concerned, you are a Tyrolese linguist!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 17:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Nah, I'm just polyglot. And I sure am a Cheruscan. If the Rumeloarvanogyphtovlachellenic side of my family can have a link to a hero in their history, so can I. - Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ha ha ha ha ha ha...

Yeah, I know it seems funny but I'd rather that than do the "Run, Forrest, run!" thing :) Umm, don't forget about your promise, who knows when I'd need a revert! Anyway, always happy to help people enjoy themselves :D Todor Bozhinov  → 15:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Reading it again, I'm still laughing to that one! You must create a "Humor" section in your userpage (see mine) and include it...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 17:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

An thes kane tin kali ston Kyrillo kai to Methodio. Tha ton pame auton gia ta tria ro. Miskin 16:56, 26 May 2006 (UTC) Molis proseksa to minima sou gia tin ipothesi tis katigorias ton ellinonmakedonon (an kai nomizo pos de tha eixe kanei megali diafora kai na to eixa proseksei noritera). Isos na to palepsoume gia kamia mikti formula opos 'arxaioi makedones (ellines)' i kati tetoio, an kai pali nomizo oti oi kollimenoi anthellines tha feroun antrisi. Miskin 17:08, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Various reasons to LOL

See this edit - I'm so pleased I started that article ;-) See this edit and my observations ;-) --Telex 16:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Been laughing all day with these. You definitely deserve the star I gave you as a woolf-buddy!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 17:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

You know, every time I see someone (a known user or an anon) editing a Macedonia related article and leaving an edit summary of (kor.), my heart sinks, as I know it's some kind of nationalist edit (e.g. [3]). --Telex 17:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

To wolf-buddyhood!  /FunkyFly.talk_   19:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello :)

Hi Niko,

Thank you for the support.I've been reading the Macedonia articles for a while and thought that some need a twicken in a few places, especially the Ancient Macedonians article, which I try to source everything I post, knowing how "touchy" the subject is.Feel free to make any corrections you may see in my changes.I do have a question regarding William Allen Simpson though. What the heck is up with him deleting Ancient Greece or anything pertaining to Ancient Greek history from anything that has to do with Category:Ancient Macedon; Category:Ancient Macedonians as well as Category:Hellenistic civilization but I noticed that underCategory:Ancient Rome he didn't remove Category:Ancient Italian history. Ancient Macedon and the Hellenistic ages are imbedded withinAncient Greek history/world. Am I missing something here?Regards. :) ~Mallaccaos, 26May 2006

[edit] Category:Greek people by periphery

Hello, its me again.Can you give your input on this discussion? Natives to People When I first created it was meant to be for Greek people of the modern state of Greece by periphery, as the title says, which is why I added the tag line.

Classification: People: By nationality: Greek also: Countries: Greece: People

Similar to howAmerican is for Americans. I didn't even name the sub-categories as "Natives of" when I first created them, Damac changed them without even saying anything. Thank you in advance. ~Mallaccaos, 26May 2006