User talk:NikoSilver/Archive 2

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Έχεις γράμμα. --Hectorian 22:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Thanks! 2 Ciao 3 Reply 4 coast/area 5 Re: 6 Template substing 7 FYROM debate 8 User:Macedonia 9 Macedonia 10 ProhibitOnions's RfA 11 Angr already did it 12 Poll 12.1 Talk:Republic of Macedonia as blog 13 List of countries by Coast/Area ratio 14 Google test 15 Re: Hi 16 3RR warning 17 Macedonia 18 Your sig 19 You 20 Nico 21 Special frinedship... 22 Hilarious 23 Kali Anastasi file! 24 i know 25 Macedonians 26 Your lovely note 27 Strava kai wraia 28 What?!? 29 Macedonia (Foo) 30 Question 31 Comments 32 United Macedonia? 33 xartis 34 Voithia... ( peri tou xarti prokeite... koita ) 35 Lightning 36 Oenology 37 Aldux's userpage 38 news just came... 39 Inanna 40 My new sig 41 Poll

Thanks!

Hey Niko, I'd really like thank you for taking the time to vote at my RfA. I withdrew due to certain controversies, but I appreciated your vote and hope to see you here in the future. Thanks again. --Khoikhoi 05:15, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

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HEYA

Hey man thanks for helping me out, I just created my first page, tell me what you think here!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassilis_Tsiartas

Reaper7 16:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

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Thank you for pointing out the error on my signature - it was not intentional. --Akohler ^Talk@ 21:40, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Ciao

Scusa se ti rispondo solo ora, ma ho notato adesso il tuo messaggio. Effettivamente sarebbe stato troppo tardi, in quanto avevo già mandato l'avviso di violazione prima di scrivere quel messaggio. Comunque per un disguido tecnico è stato fortunato e non ha avuto nessun blocco, dunque non ha nulla di cui lamentarsi. Il tenore del suo messaggio a Latinus mi aveva un po irritato, devo dire, con quella che appariva come la riendicazione di un suo diritto ad infrangere le regole se si riteneva nel giusto. --Aldux 11:45, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Di nuovo io! :-) Riguardo [1] alla paura che svaniscano tutte le differenze che rendono un paese interessante, c'è poco che possa dire: nazionalismo e cosmopolitismo si sono sempre contrapposti, certo anch'io come te amo la mia terra e spero che non diventi uguale a tutte le altre. Amare il proprio paese non è essere nazionalisti; questo lo si diventa quanto si sostiene le azioni del proprio paese indiscriminatamente, senza giudicare indipendentemente ciò che è giusto e ciò che è sbagliato. Così la vedo io.

Quanto al secondo punto, ciò che definisce una lingua é l'essere dotato di una codificazione e di una letteratura distinta; inoltre pare vi siano più differenze che fra serbo e croato, e in genere i linguisti l'accettano come una lingua distinta. In genere penso che tu dia troppa importanza a gente come l'editore Macedonia, un canadese che si è costruito un mondo tagliato su misura dei suoi sogni; mentre gli slavi macedoni che vivono in Macedonia sono (quasi sempre) molto più ragionenevoli. Salutoni!--Aldux 23:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

No, no!!! Mi hai frainteso; non penso assolutamente che tu sia un nazionalista, figuriamoci poi uno di quelli estremi e sciovinisti! Volevo soltanto descrivere un pericolo possibile causato dal nazionalismo, per mostrare la necessità del giusto mezzo, che concili universale e particolare evitando tanto Scilla (il nazionalismo sciovinistico) che Cariddi (la globalizzazione che appiattisce tutto). Quanto all'ultima domanda, personalmente non ho visto gruppi di editori "internazionali" contrapporsi a quelli "nazionali"; ci sono singoli che mettono in campo le loro rispettive idee. Ciao :-)--Aldux 22:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Ho dato una occhiata alla talk, però non riesco ancora a vedere questa grande cospirazione, nemmeno nella talk che mi hai indicato [2]. La stragrande maggioranza dei partecipanti sono sono Greci e Macedoni; i non-balcanici (gli "impartial third") sono apparentemente sei: Jonathunder, Alex Bakharev, Khoikhoi, High Elf, ChrisO. A me sembra che si siano divisi a metà, con alcuni convinti che sarebbe opportuno inserire FYROM nella testa, altri che ci debba restare solo RoM. Personalmente inclino per la versione proposta di Chris. Comunque, per ora l'articolo è bloccato, dunque nessuno potrà metterci mano. Ciao.--Aldux 18:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Reply

It's very good, very very good :-) keep up the good work... --Latinus 15:04, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Check your e-mail. --Latinus 17:22, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Very nice!it must had been kinda difficult to create it...too many numbers!continue like this,και το βραβείο θα έρθει και από μένα!:) --Hectorian 18:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

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Bravo kai apo mena gia to article List of countries by Coast/Area ratio, sou estila idi kai vravio!!!

• Mproris na grapsis sto Nr -180. ( akatanomastoi... ) kai F.Y. mprosta ?

Steile mou e-mail sto x_katselos@yahoo.de

Ta leme argotera [ Exoume polla na poume! :) ]! --Asteraki 13:29, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

coast/area

I think they are, I checked a few of them and they were the same. Just wondering because theres this horrendously innaccurate list List of countries by length of coastline which I just put up for deletion, so as long as they didnt come from there! -- Astrokey44|talk 14:17, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

All the figures would have to be changed to the CIA ones I guess [3] -- Astrokey44|talk 14:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Wow that looks great now! thanks for doing that, Ive withdrawn the nomination to delete -- Astrokey44|talk 15:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Not really, I know a little of it. why? -- Astrokey44|talk 23:24, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry couldnt help you there, but if you saw someone's signature you liked you could always copy some of the code because its displayed in full on the discussion pages (pretty obvious but it took me a while to realise that when I was looking for a sig) -- Astrokey44|talk 09:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

It seems to be shorter but it looks the same -- Astrokey44|talk 11:40, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Re:

Well, isn't this nationalistic ;-) --HolyRomanEmperor 21:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Ha! Ofcourse it is! What did you think?  NikoSilver  ^(T)@(C) 22:05, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

exeis grammaaaaaa! --Hectorian 16:59, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

and again... --Hectorian 18:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

haha!pigaine:)oxi den exei 'a', alla einai ki afto exipno... --Hectorian 19:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

mono pou ego den eimai salonikios,lol... --Hectorian 20:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

kane ton kopo na deis ena gramma... --Hectorian 21:30, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Pssss! E, auto den to perimena. Kala den exei to theo tou. Koita na deis kati andres pou forane pantelonia... S'euxaristo pantos. Miskin 09:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC) Sou esteila email. Miskin 14:17, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I have been asking Greek wikipedians this. Is it true that there is a large Anti-Bosniak sentiment in Greece like the article says? --HolyRomanEmperor 20:50, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Emathes na karfwneis?hehe...bravo re! --Hectorian 00:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

gramma --Hectorian 00:56, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Καλώς, αλλά τι μπορούμε να κάνουμε; Τουλάχιστον υπάρχει και η διεθνείς ονομασία ΦΥΡΟΜ Politis 15:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Exeis gramma! --Hectorian 16:10, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Ξανά --Hectorian 16:41, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Den xreiazontai leptomereies...to apotelesma metraei:) --Hectorian 16:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Τα έχω χάσει λίγο με την συζήτησή σας σχετικά με την φυρομ και τους φίλους μας από αυτή την χώρα, αλλά νομίζω ότι κάνετε καλή δουλειά με τον Εκτορ και κρατάτε τους τόνους. Politis 13:23, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Εν συντομία, πια είναι η σωστή θέση στο θέμα της εν λόγω χώρας όσον αφορά το wiki άρθρο; Thanks. Politis 10:51, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Template substing

Hey; I was just going through and substing some user warning templates, and I noticed that at least a couple of them were left by you. See Wikipedia:template substitution for more on this, but the basic idea is, you just add {{subst:NPA}} instead of {{NPA}} and the text of the NPA warning gets permanently added to the page, instead of having to load from the template page every time someone views it. Also, you don't have to include the Template: in your links; {{Template:NPA}} and {{NPA}} do the same thing. There's no reason not to do it, and eases the load on the servers. Mangojuice 05:24, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

To simplify. Just do {{subst:BLAH}} whenever you use a template, espec. on a user warning page. Thanks! Mangojuice 12:46, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Den ime siguros an i epilogi tu kalogeropupu ine sineti. Min ksehnas oti opios psahni ta polla, hani ke ta liga (adika anisiho? Pes mu me e-mail). Edwy ^(talk) 14:07, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Yparxei periptwsi na mposoume na mazepsoume tis versions? na exoume mia pro-skopjian, mia pro-greek kai mia me kai ta dio onomata? --Hectorian 17:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Niko, su eho stili 2 e-mail. Edwy ^(talk) 18:01, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Ksana. Edwy ^(talk) 19:26, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

FYROM debate

Hi, I am looking at the discussion, but I can't really get into it. My personal opinion is that both Republic of Macedonia and FYROM must be present in the article, because they are used as formal names in different occasions. I don't mind the wording, but I'd like to be cleared out which name in which case is used. I couldn't quite grasp what I have to look at --Komitata 20:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Macedonia

Definately dubious geographical and historical knowledge. But come on, I've seen worse, at least he mentions Greek culture! :) - FrancisTyers 00:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

HAHAHA! :) Fortunately no-one in their right mind takes this seriously :) - FrancisTyers 09:53, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I hate nationalism + the parts under FOPOGian and Bulgarian control remained occupied and its people are without even the most basic human rights. :)) I guess he needs to look at a dictionary, un N, for Nationalist. - FrancisTyers 12:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia

No, I don't want to get involved in this issue again. The country's name is Republic of Macedonia, and the Greeks should just get over it, but I am sick of arguing with Greeks about this. Adam 01:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, meaning that if I wanted to fix the poll or something, I wouldn't have invited you to take part. Right? Thanks for the implied compliment for impartiality.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 12:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Niko, protino na svisis afto pu molis egrapses ya ta stomata. Edwy ^(talk) 13:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Ya des ke afto [4]. Profanos pistevun oti oli i eleftheri makedonia ine "makedones" me afti tin "asthenia" ;-) Isos etsi exigite o hartis to hristi Macedonia. Edwy ^(talk) 13:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Foverh h ataka sou sthn koubenta gia tous akatanomastous. Gia to sbhsimo isws kai na eprepe, an arxisoun kai skouzoun. --Avg 13:04, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Not needed, I was renamed at the first of April (rename log), so my cuurent account came into existence when I created the Latinus account. The Latinus account has now been deleted from the database. Edwy ^(talk) 20:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Niko thanks so much...I'll delete it immediately.--Avg 17:26, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

De ftanei pou to esbhsa kai ebala kai sxolio? Pes mou ti allo na kanw. --Avg 17:33, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

{{npa}} There isn't any nationality called "FYROM" nationals. Please do not use insulting language. Bitola 20:39, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Niko, nomizo oti prepi na allaxis tin ipografi su. Emena mu arese pio poli i proti rithmizmeni iposgrafi pu ihes. Edwy ^(talk) 20:46, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

BTW, Niko, you are not allowed to call me a UK national. It's a grave personal attack agaist the British people ;-) Edwy ^(talk) 20:51, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

You know, Im getting really tired of Bitola. How on earth is "FYROM nationals" a personal attack - if it appears on the Greek Embassy in Washington DC's website [5], then we can be certain it's not a personal attack. Not to mention that according to his logic, the entire page List of UAE Nationals is an attack page. Edwy ^(talk) 11:32, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

No I won't, I don't see why you have to cling to that position of yours. I can call them "Macedonians" when needed without the cosmos ending. In my opinion, the three of you are equally disruptive and childish. Edwy ^(talk) 11:37, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Bitola is just trying to push his agenda. There was no problem with Fyromians as well. He just spins it as if it was. If he insists on this matter, I'll be more than happy to go to mediation, even arbitration for that matter. I'm not a little child to be scared by any report. And yes I'm determined and I will not go further back even an inch. If it results in me getting disciplined, it's worth it. The issue is far more important. --Avg 11:39, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

• Simiosi

Geia sou file. Mia simiosi. Ti tha eleges ean oloi mas anerousame ( enoo... , na anakalousame ) tis psifous mas apo tin gnosti psifoforia kai ( ksana-psifizontas... ) na stirizame mia ek ton protaseon 4 i 9? -Pou einai kai oi kaliteres gia emas. Tha ithela ti gnomi sou. Ti pistevis kai ti protinis episis esi gia to olo thema? An thelis apantise mou se aftin edo ti selida. --Asteraki 16:24, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Geia sou file! Ean thelis mporis na mou stilis e-mail, se afto pou emfanizete sti diefthinsi pou dino stin Aggliki wikipedia. asteraki_wiki(at)yahoo.com --Asteraki 14:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

U 2 :-) --Avg 12:24, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Giou faoul! (oxi den esteila mail alla h douleia egine:-)) --Avg 12:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Tsek gior meilmpoks :) --Avg 22:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

No problem, in fact I'll try to find more. Once again, well done! --Avg 23:18, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Mias kai eimai kainourgios xristis kai akoma den exw mathei kala ta tou wikipedia, tha ithela na zitisw kati na mou peite ti gnwmi sas...

opws xeroume i Eurwpaiki Enwsi dextike tin protasi tis FYROM gia entaxi tis stin EE me to onoma FYROM. Blepontas omws edw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU#Member_states_and_enlargement sto xarti gia tis ypopsifies xwres anaferetai ws Macedonia! Episis sto telos tis selidas pou proanefera, leei "Candidate countries: Croatia | Republic of Macedonia | Turkey"...

den xerw se poion prepei na apeuthynthw, alla nomizw oti tha eprepe na ginei allagi, mias kai i EE den dexetai to onoma "Macedonia" h "Republic of Macedonia"! --xvvx 08:16, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Paidia, exoume xasei thn mpala sto internet me to 8ema... oi skopianoi exoun kataferei na exoun poly dynamikoterh parousia se sxesh me to onoma, isws epeidh sthn ellada aporriptoume osous asxolountai me to 8ema kai ta ellhnika symferonta ws 'grafikous'. As kerdisoume toulaxiston th maxh tou wikipedia Dr. Manos 02:16, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

ProhibitOnions's RfA

Thank you, NikoSilver/Archive 2!
	...for voting in my RFA. It passed with a result of 58/2/0. If you have any comments, or for some reason need any new-admin help, please let me know here. Regards, ProhibitOnions 22:59, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

And how might I be of assistance? ProhibitOnions 15:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Angr already did it

Just to let you know, the vandal has been blocked for 24 hours and the Macedonia talk page reverted. User:Angr got there a couple of minutes before I did. Let me know if it starts to happen again. ProhibitOnions 16:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Poll

Yeah, I did notice after I made my comment actually; I think that the page should probably be archived to include just the poll to be honest. I think a fewer smaller polls - lasting a week each - to solve the individual issues could have sorted it out myself; but there you go ;) Robdurbar 16:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello; I wouldn't worry about those votes which support other options (and indirectly oppose others) – hence approval voting. The rule is intended to prohibit votes that explicity oppose any single option directly (e.g., Oppose bla, bla). For example, take a glance at the Talk:Republic of Ireland name poll (recently administered) for an example of what the rules are meant to prevent ... in that case, opposing votes were disallowed. I hope this helps. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 19:13, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback; I'll keep it in mind. Note that this vote explicitly links to and indicates approval voting upfront, so I think it's clear already. (This clarity is something I overlooked with the the RoI poll, though.) And I think the poll has garnered substantial support to this point... so much so that it may be opportune to close it early, but more input solidifies a preferred option. And if individuals cannot or will not overcome the hurdles they identify, just as we are trying to, then it perhaps is better that they remain silent or in abstention. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 19:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Go ahead ... e-mail me if you wish. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 19:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Republic of Macedonia as blog

Talk:Republic of Macedonia and the Talk pages of a lot of the related articles have been way too active for me to really follow at this point. It's true that it wasn't that long ago that I was encouraging people to use the Talk page more and to edit war less. I'm not convinced that the current level of Talk page activity represents an increased interest in improving the article collaboratively, however; I'm concerned that polls can be needlessly divisive on top of the concerns I raised about them at Talk:Republic of Macedonia.

In any case, we shall see how things develop. In spite of my "more heat than light" worries, I am optimistic that more attention to these articles will lead to better thinking about them in the long run and thereby to eventual improvement. Jkelly 17:14, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

List of countries by Coast/Area ratio

Oh. When I wrote "cleanup?" down, I was cleaning up. Specifically, I removed redundant spaces. That's all. =) __earth ^(Talk) 03:19, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Google test

I was thinking that the easiest and most accurate google test should be:

Option 1: "republic of macedonia" -"former yugoslav republic of macedonia" 1.75M results

Option 2: "former yugoslav republic of macedonia" 4.47M results

As simple as that. I can't think of any flaw (each option automatically cancels the other). What do you think? --Avg 17:58, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I checked it too and found similar results. Only problem is that you have ommited this option, which yields some hundreds of millions of results that nobody knows to who they correspond (Greece or FYROM or other -like the... artist).  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 19:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

No re :-) Macedonia is not an official name and is not of a concern. It has its own disambiguation page anyway. What we are interested in is what people prefer between FYROM and ROM (only).--Avg 19:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Bre yes, I tell you, it was discussed previously extensively at the other poll and in all similar discussions. Check the archives (<-nobody can dispute that point!).  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 19:17, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Den kraththika, eides pou ki o allos to diko mou test xrhsimopoihse?:) Yper mas einai as to baloume ki ayto! Pantws h idea sou kataplhktikh, elega na to arxisw ki egw alla den eixa to kouragio. Mpravo mprabo kai pali mprabo!--Avg 12:23, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

• Simiosi2

Geia sou file! Ean thelis mporis na mou stilis e-mail, se afto pou emfanizete sti diefthinsi pou dino stin Aggliki wikipedia. asteraki_wikipedia(at)yahoo.gr --Asteraki 18:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Den mu ehis pi tis exeliksis me ton andoni akoma. Ti su ipe? --LionKing 08:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Hi

LOL, it's not Inanna because the person lives in Izmir. [6] I'll reply to your email when I have the time. :) Cheers, Khoikhoi 18:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Den kaneis tin kali sto ellines? Sou menei mia akomi, kai o anonymos efyge apo to paixnidi. Miskin 19:55, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

3RR warning

You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Macedonian language. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. --Khoikhoi 19:37, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Just a reminder, of course. --Khoikhoi 19:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I already reverted him once, but it's pretty obvious there isn't a consensus on having that map at the page. Someone else will revert eventually. --Khoikhoi 19:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia

Vuoi dire la disputa a Macedon, vero? Se c'è qualcuno che è d'accordo che quella sia una disputa futile e vuota, sono io. Il problema secondo me è che gli editori macedoni, sia greci che slavi, hanno caricato questo simbolo di significati che non è detto abbia mai avuto. In realtà non si può dire con certezza che fosse simbolo dell'antico stato macedone. Io devo poi tenere in considerazione i lettori non balcanici, per cui un copyright su una stella vecchia di 2000 anni significa poco. Inoltre devo considerare se abbia senso metterlo su un articolo di storia antica; a me stona come un'intromissione di dispute contemporanee che non dovrebbero toccare questo articolo. Detto questo, amico mio, ti saluto. Ciao! :-)--Aldux 11:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Your sig

This is a really, really trivial thing, so please ignore it if you like. :-)

I noticed that you use the font tag in your sig in order to change colours. Since you're not using any of the abilities that are specific to the font tag and it's deprecated anyway, you might consider changing it to span. The span tag's purpose is for doing exactly what you're using the font tag for right now.

You could replace the last use of font as well with <small>(text)<small>, but since the font tag and modern tags like big and small handle sizes differently you might not like that for æsthetic reasons. Cheers! — Saxifrage ✎ 22:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

How does this look?

 NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)}

It saves you 38 characters in the name portion, and 8 characters in the superscripted portion. It's still pretty heavyweight though, at 444 characters. Granted, the superscripting looks different when using small instead of font size=-2, so you might want to keep that part the same. If you do though, take the quote marks out from around the "-2" since the spec doesn't require them for values that contain no spaces (like numbers). There's not much more optimisation that I can think of: I just pulled out unnecessary characters and spaces where the HTML and CSS specs don't require them, changed "font" to "span" (no savings there), and got rid of a closing font tag that I don't think had a matching opening tag.

Another route might be to make the background a carefully-crafted image with the right gradient that is stretched to fit the bounding-box of the text with CSS. It'd be shorter in code (and so database), but would require uploading an image for personal use (and I don't know what Wikipedia thinks of that). — Saxifrage ✎ 20:36, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome! I took at look at the bolding before and I don't think there's any way around that. You could break the nesting rule and it will work in most browsers, but how many it will break in I don't know. The number is sure to increase as time goes on. — Saxifrage ✎ 05:58, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

You

Ive been accused of being your sockpuppet :( I really have to stop pushing the Greek nationalist agenda... - FrancisTyers 23:27, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

That anon user was me in Paris... I was frustrated enough using AZERTY without wanting to actually log in aswell. :) - FrancisTyers 22:21, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Nico

Twra eida to mhnyma sou. Tsekarontas amesws thn poreia ths syzhthshs, diapistwsa oti ta sxolia mou den prokalesan thn arnhtikh antidrash oute tou Miskin (outws h allws apaleipsa thn emmesh anafora sto sxoleio tou, thn opoia makari na parexhghsa) oute kanenos allou. Allwste, to sxolio mou htan aixmhro, alla, an prosexeis, den periexei thn paramikrh proswpikh aixmh. Ayto einai pagia taktikh mou kai den thn exw paraviasei pote. Oute fysika prosevala to ethniko synais8hma kanenos. Kai ws pros to zhthma afto eimai panta para ma para poly prosektikos.
Ws pros th deyterh parathrhsh sou: To provlhma mou den einai h ek8esh me th deousa epixeirhmatologia antiti8emenwm apopsewn, alla h kontof8almh kai me apolyto tropo yposthrixh ths mias apopshs me th synakolou8h akrith aporripsh ths allhs. Otan vlepw tetoies topo8ethseis, synodeyomenes malista apo eirwneia, antidrw!
Thn katarxhn epoikodomhtikh mou dia8esh thn exw allwste hdh deixei kai me prohgoumena sxolia mou, alla kai me thn pshfo mou yper mias mesaias symvivastikhs apopshs gia to ar8ro FYROM, exontas malista proteinei kai tropopoihseis akomh pio eynoikes apo tis proteinomenes gia thn pleyra ths FYROM (to zhthma toy "adopted" h "accepted").
Se ka8e periptwsh, se eyxaristw gia tis epishmanseis sou!
Kai mh fovasai na anavoun ta aimata! Egw eimai fanatikos opados twn pa8iasmenwn kai aixmhrwn antipara8esewn, arkei oi symmetexontes se aftes na exoun th deousa aytosygrathsh kai na mhn exokelloun oi 8emites aixmes kai ta eystoxa eyfyologhmata se xtyphmata katw apo th mesh kai se proswpikes yvreis. Kai sto katw katw ths grafhs, opws eixe pei o Gewrgousopoulos prosfata, akomh kai o livellos mporei na ginei ergo texnhs!
Elpizw na mhn egina kourastikos! --Yannismarou 08:44, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Special frinedship...

You'll find a lot about the Orthodox friendship in question on the neo-byzantine site. It's really funny if you look at the history. The Byzantines at times protected and at times oppressed the Serbs; while the Serbs eventually would rebel and take Roman lands one-by-one. Stefan Nemanja is believed to have conducted expulsions of Greeks from Zeta. Yet in all wars, there was a strange (call it morbid, if you like) forgiveness and tolerance; one morning a Greek calls the Serb a slave and the Serb hits him, the next 5 years, they're best friends. Another strange thing is that the Serbs gave the Byzantine Empire the last hit before the Turks under Stefan Dusan, but in reality created an Empire equal from Greeks and Serbs alike.

That exists no more, though. The American Capitalism/Soviet Communism eternally and forever created a drift between the two peoples that will probably never again.

Remember the Serbian-Greek Empire? --HolyRomanEmperor 19:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Hilarious

User_talk:FrancisTyers#NPA. Finally I'm suceeding... To be unpopular with both sides at the same time is probably the best pointer to the fact that one is performing one's duties correctly and with impartiality. :)) - FrancisTyers 17:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

You! :D - FrancisTyers 10:16, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

No problem... You know I only get into these debates so I can get my page vandalised and then add another number to the count! - FrancisTyers 11:47, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Γεια σου ΝΣ. Σου είχα στείλει ημειλ, αν μου απάντησες δεν το έλαβα. Αι γκοτ μιχτ απ ουιδ μαι σετινγκζ εντ αι χαντ νοτ ακτιβειτεντ ιτ. Χαπι ηστερ ανδ χαπι ανασταση μαι φρεντ. Politis 15:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Exeis ημεηλ. Politis 16:27, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Τσαικ γηώρ Υμαίειλ.--Avg 18:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC) Αγγέν--Avg 23:52, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Kali Anastasi file!

Koitaxe to ilektroniko taxidromio sou!

Kai mia xari:

Mporis na kaneis epanafora? -edw?

Efxaristw , ta leme! --Asteraki 13:31, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Kai pali xronia polla kai blepw eisai se megalh forma shmera! To arni ekane th douleia tou! :-)--Avg 21:45, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

i know

i know and i will avoid it in the future, but such a warning shouldn't come from a fellow greek. but rather from a neutral wiki user.

you speak english, but that doesnt mean you are english right? morrocans speak french too, but that doesnt mean they are french. think about that my friend:) and besides that, the genetic research were talking about, isnt some proof or has not to be the truth, it is just a reference wich is good to be referred too, i never added the article on a wikipage without saying that it is not desputed. wether its the truth or not, wether they believe the article is to be decided by the wikiusers for themselves. a page is good if it has the views of all sides mentioned, not just one side. greetings--Makedonia 20:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Macedonians

Hi Niko. If I get it right, you're worried by this [7], believe me, don't worry; it's such crap that nobody takes it seriously, and yes, I do believe it's highly nationalistic stuff. Ethnicity is not determinated by blood, but by a common tradition and history. Ciao!--Aldux 21:30, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry about this pseudo-research, it's an old hoax which has been openly ridiculed [8]. This is not the research of Antonio Arnaiz-Villena by the way, it's a research made by some FYROM individuals who manipulate the original Spanish paper in order to propagate what you just read (their names are marked). Arnaiz-Villena's research has not a single mention of the word "Macedonian", and in the case of the Greeks, it pretty much states the opposite of the FYROMian version. In any case, if somebody tries to pass this anywhere in wikipedia, someone should let me know. Miskin 20:34, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Your lovely note

Thanks for your remarks on my talk page, I'll let you know what mark I get. - FrancisTyers 07:49, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, i should have added a smiley on the end of that ;)

In response to your two questions:

• "fortunately"??? Why not unfortunately? Who is the judge of that?

Fortunately — because its really fucking retarded. Boring. Old hat. The level of puerility (not sure if thats a word) is pretty much equal to the argument over -ize and -ise in American/English English. Fortunately that argument isn't discussed much. If it was discussed with a similar level of vitriol as the Macedonian question it would be down right hilarious. Danzig/Gdansk is another example.

• "only"??? Is this accurate? Is it complete?

Only — If Greece didn't care about it no-one else would. The majority of people couldn't give a shit. I don't know one person to whom the matter is controversial — who would even bother to contribute to the debate in such a nationalistic way as you Greeks do. Only is a good characterisation — not to say you couldn't find one English (or whatever other nationality) guy, but I doubt you could find 100.

I don't see what isn't funny about it. Just because I'm making fun of your fruity nationalist ideas. Pretty much everyone I know thinks the naming dispute is either ridiculous to the point of laughter or just plain retarded. We made jokes about it in class. Nationalism is funny. Really, seriously, it is funny. I might get a note on my mark sheet about it, "you shouldn't really do this" etc, "bad style" or something but it won't make a difference to my mark, and I'm 90% sure that they'll laugh or chuckle about it when reading. I like to add a bit of humour to my essays, I find on average it gets me higher marks. You should see the one I did on software patents in the style of a Greek dialogue...

I'm going to explain it because I value your contributions, you at least have a sense of humour about this issue. The main points I was making in the essay was that "Macedonian is a language because the Macedonians say it is" and "Nationalism is retarded whoever it comes from". If you didn't get that then either you didn't read it or were blinded by your ideology.

That is a sincere explanation. - FrancisTyers 12:11, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

PS. Who the hell drinks their frappé not black? - FrancisTyers 12:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

PPS. Oh, IHBT 10/10 ;) - FrancisTyers 12:42, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I guess thats what separates nationalists from non-nationalists. I seriously couldn't give two hoots if the Koreans want King Arthur, let them have him. As a side note, in Brittany they claim King Arthur as their own. I've been to his castle. It was quite nice, a pleasant walk in the forest. I just don't put any significance on national identity really. If the Americans want to claim Henry VIII as their own I don't care. The same goes for the Russians and their plot to steal Boadicea. I just don't care. These people belong to all of humanity.

I object to falsifying history, which is what the fruity Macedonian nationalists are doing, but I think that seriously, you should concentrate on their stupid un-History instead of this crazy little naming dispute. On pretty much everything except the naming dispute I side with Greece (and history). I really think the naming dispute thing damages your whole case, it makes you seem irrational. If I was doing a history essay I would certainly take the piss out of the Macedonians...

I probably would reject my essay as biased too, but then look at the list of references I have. There's plenty useful there. In fact, some of them are more biased than me — but they aren't doing it as a joke :) By the way, the joke is only referring to the naming dispute, not the whole falsifying history thing.

On a lighter note, I drink it with sugar (but without milk), I didn't realise there were people who drank it without sugar! - FrancisTyers 14:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

LOL! :) Well, feel free to call on me if you get any particularly funny (or not-funny) Macedonians, I'll be glad to give them a good poke :) Btw, "Slavomacedonia", nah. I think a reasonable suggestion was "Makedonija", I mean, just for the sake of closing the argument, not because I think they should change their name. - FrancisTyers 14:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Done, as you wish :)) - FrancisTyers 15:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm happy to do it, providing it doesn't involve me reading pages of nationalist drivel :P Hence I didn't bother with the Bitola one. I'll check out what Bomac is saying though :) - FrancisTyers 16:34, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Francis you are in big trouble now for that swearing. Expect some measures. FunkyFly 16:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

FunkyFly — Interesting theory... - FrancisTyers 21:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Niko, it seems my pleas are falling on deaf ears! [9] - FrancisTyers 21:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, it doesn't surprise me or bother me that much, there are assholes on both sides. User:FlavrSavr, this guy for example seems eminently reasonable, I saw another guy Greek, but his name escapes me, who said something along the lines of "Alexander the Great and all these people belong to all of humanity", but I can't find the exact quote. Thats pretty reasonable too. For every User:Macedonia there is a User:Asteraki :) And about getting frustrated... why I guess they get damned frustrated too. With regards to my vote... I feel honoured to be on the same side as User:Dcabrilo and User:FlavrSavr, in an "ironic?" turn... User:Macedonia has not voted! :)) Perhaps he can't read ? To conclude, there are moderates on both sides, you just have to look hard to find them because of the brainless nationalist ideology both sides have been brought up in. - FrancisTyers 12:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

User:Michalis Famelis that was the Greek guy. By the way, you're only an asshole with respect to the naming dispute, pretty reasonable otherwise. I guess User:FlavrSavr just got fed up with the constant bickering, I'm sure he isn't forever yours ;) - FrancisTyers 13:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

1. WP:IAR
2. I hate political correctness — I think you probably already guessed this ;)
3. I don't care if you want to call it FY Republic of Macedonia — only two letters difference — it isn't what they self describe themselves as. The name of the country is "Republic of Macedonia", if all those politically correct, "oh no it isn't a genocide", organisations want to call it something else then fine. Fortunately on Wikipedia we can go with common sense. "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" is not common sense in any definition of the words. Besides, Republic of Macedonia is already disambiguating... there is only one Republic of Macedonia, and its borders are well defined. We have a Republic of Ireland, also with well defined borders inside a larger Ireland. We have a Republic of Korea inside a greater Korea. I could go on.... I bet if they had such large naming disputes it would be pretty damned boring too.
4. How about renaming the region in Greece, Greek Macedonia — that would be pretty disambiguating. Hell we could go the whole hog and have Macedonian Slav Macedonia, Greek and or Hellenic Macedonia and Bulgarian Macedonia not forgetting Albanian Macedonia — unfortunately that proposal is bullshit because getting any three countries to agree on any one thing in the Balkans is like getting blood from a stone I don't know where that expression comes from — maybe its Greek ;)

- FrancisTyers 13:44, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

You're making it too easy! a of course. Seriously, there are roughly no limits to my support for self-identification. If they wanted to name their country "The Jews did 9/11" I would have no complaints. They'd be idiots, and to be honest most people would still just continue calling them Iran. Much like whatever name they finally come up with, the chances are that people will still refer to Macedonia as being the Republic of. After all, there is only one country called Macedonia. You should rename the Macedonia in Greece to "Southern Macedonia", afterall, it isn't a country, its only a region. See Ireland, Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland for precedent. I really think that it is entirely irrational, nationalist ideology... did you see my test btw? Read the Orwell essay on the matter also, its really quite good. We all harbour nationalist ideas yes even me! — and not just English, I've experienced some transferred nationalist ideas for the Kurds — Just when I come accross myself thinking about them I try to KILL THEM WITH FIRE (in a metaphorical sense) you just let them pother out! - FrancisTyers 15:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

right back at you ;) - FrancisTyers 17:27, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Strava kai wraia

Ίσως έχεις τα στραβά σου αλλά μερικές φορές πράγματι σχίζεις ρε φίλε. Εννοώ τις παραπομπές σου σε κείμενα του μπόμακ (αν και γενικός μου φαίνεται καλός τύπος) περί κλεμμένης μακεδονίας κτλπ. Politis 17:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC).

Καληνύχτα Νίκο και άντε πάλι αύριο η μεθαύριο. Ακόμα χωνεύω τα πασχαλινά. Αλήθεια, τι έγινε ο λατίνους? Politis 18:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Tha se ypostirikso. Miskin 14:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

What?!?

And now what is this supposed to mean? Did I mixed smt. with genes? Are you threatening me? Bomac 18:58, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow, can you wait a moment untill I get my breastplate? Bomac 19:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia (Foo)

As I said on the talk page I could support anything that otherwise gains widespread support. That includes Macedonia (former Yugoslav Republic of); Macedonia (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia); Macedonina (Republic of Macedonia); Macedonia (modern nation); Macedonia (Eastern European republic); Macedonia (Slavic nation); as well as countless other possibilties. I cannot grasp all the import of the slight differences under disscusion, so I am not willing to push any of these options which meet sincere strong oposition. You, I believe, understand all these contentious points. Which sort of name do you think would be most agreeable to all involved?--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 16:35, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Question

Hey Niko,

Any idea of what to do with this? —Khoikhoi 09:08, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Aw Jesus, now he got a user name - sigh. —Khoikhoi 09:11, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Is it necessary to mention that they're the only countries? I think it's fairly clear based on the current text. As for the grammar, I don't want to be offensive, but I'm wondering if you're a native English speaker. The old text was clunkily worded, and the new text (even if it is by a guy who, though I've never dealt with him before, seems to be a noxious troll), was more grammatically correct. Ambi 10:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, can you keep an eye on the article Macedonian Orthodox Church. Thanks. Telex 10:50, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know where you're getting it from, but splitting a sentence doesn't always make for better grammar, particularly in this case. That said, I've had enough of this argument, so if you want the article to contain poor English, be my guest. Ambi 11:12, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I have sent you an e-mail. Telex 11:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, could you give me your opinion on this. Telex 15:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

No e-mail yet. Try again. Telex 15:52, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments

I'm pretty much busy these days and I'm not in a position to make any edits on Mac. language at the moment. I hope that the problem with the map will be resolved as well. MatriX 18:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Μα ο Σερμπικους, δεν έχει ιδέα από ιστορία. Ακούς εκεί, λέει ότι μας ‘έδωσαν’ (έδωσαν!) την Μακεδονία μετά τον Δεύτερο Παγκόσμιο πόλεμο κτλπ, κτλπ... αυτός πάει στους Champions League finals τον ουρανοκατέβατων ιστορικών! Politis 18:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Μόνο αυτό σε πειράζει; Δεν είδες που είπε ότι η ΠΓΔΜ εκπροσωπεί καλύτερα τη Μακεδονία από την Ελληνική Μακεδονία (δηλαδή την ορίτζιναλ Μακεδονία). Telex 21:20, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I decided to take your advice and make a userpage - what do you think? Telex 21:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Εντάξει, δεν πειράζει. Τουλάχιστον τώρα το όνομά μου δεν είναι πια κόκκινο ;-) Telex 21:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Επίσης, αν είναι να ρωτήσεις Φιλιππινέζα, πες της να ελέγξει και τούτο. Telex 21:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

United Macedonia?

This talk below, was transferred from User talk:Bormalagurski#United Macedonia?, where it was getting rather long in his absence...

Telex, since you invited me here, my opinion is that you are wrong! You have forgotten to take into account in your thoughts the ...ethnic cleansing alternative of the non-MacSlav populations, after such unification! Maybe that's what Boris meant in that comment of his?

PS Check Rainbow Party vs Rainbow party, I find it hillarious! NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 15:40, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

You're right. In the 1911 census, 350,000 Greeks and 246,000 Bulgarians in the city of Bitola/Manastir, today in the Republic of Macedonia. The Macedonian government claims there are no Greeks there today. To you think they were subject to ethnic cleansing by the communist authorities of the Socialist Republic of Macedonia? Who knows? ;-) Telex 15:45, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Telex, first of all, I would tend to agree, but unfortunately you can't go simply on votes for nationalist parties alone. They may have some really bad policies also — not to mention their name sucks. For example, Plaid Cymru is a minority party in Wales, but that does not mean that the majority of Welsh people don't consider themselves Welsh, nor that the majority wouldn't support independence under more favourable conditions. The same goes for the Scottish Nationalist Party in Scotland. I don't think that the situation is as black and white as you make it out to be. Not that I agree with the general proposition of a "Unified" Macedonia necessarily. To be honest I think it would probably cause more problems than it solves. Not to mention nationalism and national identity is tedious.

In response to your more recent comment, I think you misuse the phrase "ethnic cleansing". I suspect that the Macedonians have done no worse to their ethnic minorities than the Greeks have done to theirs. This is a definate case of pot calling the kettle black. Yugoslavia was in many ways a far more tolerant state than Greece. But as I said don't get me started on it. - FrancisTyers 15:56, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe, let's not forget that not everyone votes (of course who would you vote for - the parties that deny your ethnicity by fabricating other names or the parties which offer you recognition). Here are some figures by the Helsinki Minority Rights Group - Greece (these people are known to inflate numbers) [10]:

Local authorities have acknowledged the presence of some 100,000 “Slavophones,” while researchers have given twice as high as estimate (200,000). However, those with a Macedonian national identity can be estimated to between 10,000-30,000. Indeed, the political party “Rainbow” which was created in 1994 and has campaigned for the recognition of a national Macedonian minority, received 7,300 votes in 1994 and 5,000 in 1999, two elections it contested alone: these figures correspond to some 7,000-10,000 citizens of all (not just voting) ages. One can estimate that besides this “hard core” there may be other citizens voting for mainstream parties that also espouse this identity, hence the above estimate.

This document however fails to account for the fact that the Rainbow Party supports other social issues such as gay rights and that the vast majority of votes come from islands in southern Greece (well away of Macedonia), so it's possible that the number of actual Macedonians voting there are even less. In the latest (European) elections (2004), they got [11] 6.176 altogether with 2,955 (click and count) in Greek Macedonia. So its perfectly possible that the people voting for them aren't even Macedonians. You can't really know without a census (sometimes even with a census). The latest census in the Bulgarian part of Macedonia found 3,117 Macedonians. This doesn't stop Macedonian nationalists claiming even higher numbers. Telex 16:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Francis, I agree in most of your comments. However, I don't see where you disagree with Telex's first post, and with me! I mean, you accept (if I understood right):

1. Unified Mk would be bad
2. MacSlavs have done bad things to their ethnic minorities

...but you show disagreement in:

1. Rainbow party (sorry -this joke never gets old) Rainbow Party being representative of the true population of MacSlavs in Greece (i.e. what would that be? source? Telex has one above.)
2. SFRJ being more tolerant compared to Greece (no opinion here -irrelevant?)

I think this whole discussion has to do with waaay back in the past, when the international community was much more tolerant in certain practices (especially when they were backed up by treaties), which doesn't apply to the Greece of today (at least in a notable extent). It may though apply to other neighbours... Correct?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 16:20, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

With regard to "3", I said that with regard to the election results yes the Rainbow party (lol) is not representative, but my point was that this is not indicative of nationalist opinion. With regard to point "4", I'd be more inclined to believe it if Greece was more tolerant today. On the whole, I think it somewhere between Turkey (as in slightly better) and France (as in slightly worse), both very insecure about their national identities. Basically you are saying that Greece should be excused from the injustice against its ethnic minorities because it was in the past. I don't agree, should the UK be excused its colonial excesses because they were in the past? No. Besides, why are we having this discussion on Serbianas talk page? - FrancisTyers 16:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Francis, no! For Christ's shake! For "3" ok, but look at (even the negative) Helsinki! For "4" NO excuses! It was just (a)backed up by treaties (b)not such a big fault (with that day's standards). For TODAY, I disagree. Now transfer whatever you want in my talk page coz this guy is gonna go bananas when he reads all this stuff!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 16:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

SFRJ was not more tolerant. The Albanians in the Socialist Republic of Macedonia were banned from having more than two children in 1988 (if that's not population control, then I don't know what is). Greece (or any neighbour - even the paranoid regime of Enver Hoxha) has never done anything like that (I'm not counting Turkey - I don't know much about them). Telex 16:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

As I said, I'm not going into it. You obviously have a poor grasp of history. Its sad that you can't accept it though :( - FrancisTyers 16:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Accept what exactly? Greece does indeed have its closet skeletons, but this is no reason to turn a blind eye to everyone else's (magnitude is relevant here). The only reason for Greece's ethnic composition today is the influx of Greek refugees from abroad (Ukraine, Turkey (what was left of them), Albania, Bulgaria) and the habit of deporting the "undesirables". The Muslim Cham Albanians were deported in the 1940s (Cham Albanians), the Bulgarians/Macedonians were deported in the 1920s (Treaty of Neuilly - if under this treaty they were deported, how are they still there?), the Turks were deported in the 1920s (except in Western Thrace - Treaty of Lausanne). Greece generally avoided massacres, quite unlike most of its neighbours. Telex 16:42, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Anyway, even if Francis is right about the Rainbow Party's votes, even using the largest estimate (200,000 Macedonians in Greece), in the hypothetical United Ethnic Macedonia, Greeks would still be the majority. Telex 17:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

My impression from the (negative) source you presented is that there are some 10-20,000 MacSlavs TOPS. I haven't met anyone though, and I cooperate a lot with Macedonians (that is Greek and Slav Macedonians -in both countries). NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 17:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I think a Balkan Federation would be a good idea, then all other Balkan countries would be able to join the EU simply by uniting with Greece (that's how East Germany joined - by uniting with West Germany) - or a Balkan Union to become more influental than the EU (?). In the First Balkan War, the Balkan states (alliance) were a success. To hell with nationalism - let's climb the hierarchy to UN Security Council membership this way ;-) Telex 17:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I really don't want to comment on that. Plus I have to go. I'll just paste my edit conflict:

For this comment of Francis:

"— not to mention their name sucks"

...there is no parallel in Greek, that would suck(<-great choice of words!) "Ouranio Toxo" is generally something vere-very beautiful and signifies peace! It is the other way around: People WOULD vote for it because it's beautiful!

You can continue here if you want, I'll catch up later. Bye for now... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 17:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

How successful the Balkan alliance of 1912 was is a can of worms that I think should stay closed. Parallel to the alliance on the surface there were some under-the-table dealings. See what happened a year later, enough said. FunkyFly 22:35, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

xartis

Den katalavainw giati to thema me to xarti einai toso periploko. Kanei mpam oti einai mia kathari pseutopropaganda kai einai prosvlitiko na vlepw oti stin perioxi pou menw taxa milame slavika. Eleos!!! Den lew oti sti florina kai stin edessa den yparxoun slavofonoi alla auto pou vlepw parapaei... telos pantwn. an ksereis kati parapanw pes mou - na min parousiastw neuriasmenos tin alli vdomada :) keep writing...--makedonas 23:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Ti pragma?! o xartis den uparxei periptwsi na meinei, toulaxiston oson exartatai apo mena. an theloun xartes tetoiou eidous, mporw na ftiaxw ki egw enan pou na pianei ola ta valkania(toulaxiston)...!loipon, as eimaste realistes, o xartis aftos einai geloios kai kala ekane o Makedonas kai ton afairese (tha to ekana ki egw an to antilamvanomoun nwritera). An, Nikola, uparxei kati parapano pou prepei na xerw, pes mou. --Hectorian 00:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Voithia... ( peri tou xarti prokeite... koita )

Edw (peri tou xarti prokeite...) kai kane epanafora ean to xana epanaferi, ego den mporo nato epanaferw distixws!!! --Asteraki 21:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

An theleis bale ena xeri sto Chrysostomos of Smyrna. Koita kai monos sou ti ginetai [12]. Miskin 14:39, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Lightning

Don't worry about it. -- Rmrfstar 16:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Oenology

That was my inexpert Greek that you corrected at Oenology (thanks!). In the same sentence there is a mention of the Greek word logos—could you add an appropriate Greek-alphabet version for that as well? — Saxifrage ✎ 19:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Never mind. Reading -logy, I see that the editor who added that bit about logos was wrong anyway. — Saxifrage ✎ 19:24, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Aldux's userpage

It was a joke, I got that, which is why I said rv and not rvv. He can still see what your change was, KI 23:39, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm really happy you like the new section I made yesterday :))) But I won't pretend originality: I plagiarized it from Jcw69, hope he won't mind ;-) And thanks for correcting that slip of mine. Ciao!--Aldux 10:19, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

news just came...

...that the Montenegrin referendum will succeed after all. --HolyRomanEmperor 14:48, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

This is so exciting - I'll be fully able to appreciate the changing of borders in Europe (I totally ignored the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, Germany and Yugoslavia). I wouldn't be surprised if the referendum's results were fabricated though. Telex 15:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Inanna

Yep, it's her. I reported he to an admin. If she wants to play this game, I have all day. Keep and eye on the Turkish people, Zaza People, and Ardahan pages. —Khoikhoi 17:24, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

My new sig

I hope you don't claim any copyrights!!! Tried to make it different! :-) --   Avg 23:16, 1 May 2006 (UTC)   

Poll

Ξέρεις πότε θα τελειώσει το poll για το αν το ΠΓΔΜ θα είναι στην εισαγωγή; Telex 13:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)