Talk:Night Watch (novel)

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Contents 1 Ned Coates 2 Addition by a vandal 3 Parody of Les Mis 4 Buh?

[edit] Ned Coates

I removed this paragraph added by MartinRe because I don't think that the Coates character is important enough to appear in a synopsis and because I don't see what's so surprising (or important) about his "From how far back?" comment. (The image in my mind here is 'Fierce warrior from ancient, barbarian times' which has been used for Vimes-in-action in previous books.) 85.182.9.134 12:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Fair point. The image in my mind when I read Coates's comment originally was a "you too?", but I may be reading too much into it. I think Coates has an interesting part in the book: he's the only one who knew the real Keel; he was a key revolutionary; he is unfraid of Carcer, argueing with him about harming young Vimes; When he resigns, Vimes/Keel talks to him about "revolutions always come around again" (circle of time reference?). Coates also dies in the battle just like Keel/Vimes. He's also very sure ("Yes. I can.") he can imagine what it would be like if Carcer was allowed to stay in this time. (understanding or foreknowledge?) I've have wondered whether Coates is a mirror of Vimes/Keel, only his task was to make sure the revolution took place correctly. All in all, probably a little too tenuous to have in the article, but I still feel there's more to Coates than meets the eye. MartinRe 15:56, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Addition by a vandal

The following piecew is removed, since it was added by an anon with many vandalism edits, hence this addition requires independent verification.

Young Vimes believes Vimes to be the real Keel, allowing Vimes to teach Young Vimes the lessons for which Vimes idolised Keel. Essentially this means that Vimes taught and idolised himself, not Keel.

The novel climaxes in the Revolution, hinted at since the start of the book. Vimes baracades a few streets to keep people safe from the rebels, but the baracades are pushed forward gradually during the night to encompass the surrounding streets, until Vimes is under control of more of Ankh-Morpork than the rebels.

mikka (t) 19:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

• The info is correct, so I placed it back. Djadek 17:55, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Parody of Les Mis

I see from the history that this was cut in the middle of a large and beneficial edit, but why is the book no longer regarded as a parody of Les Miserables? While the modified version ("A great deal of the plot is inspired by civil uprisings like the Paris Commune of 1871 and comparable ones, as depicted in Les Miserables, for example") is correct, the book has very strong ties to Les Mis in particular (see LSpace's comments) - while many are coincidental, the references to loaves of bread and the inverted definitions of justice imply a much stronger link. I'm not going to put it back in myself, but if this convinces anyone else then they can. Tyrhinis 10:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Buh?

"It is stated that the event which caused Vimes and Carcer to be sent into the past was a major temporal shattering, the implication being the cause of Vimes going through time is that he was caught in the explosion at the same instant the glass clock struck and time froze in Thief of Time." That's a bit original, eh? Vitriol 16:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Only a bit... they talk about a lightning bolt hitting a clock shop in Cunning Artificers and stopping all the clocks in the shop at once, which would tie in very strongly, and Lu-Tze's dialogue when he's explaining the situation to Vimes suggests that, if it's not happening as part of the fallout from TOT, then the Men in Saffron have managed to have another serious event pretty damn fast considering their previous record of competence. The fight that LZ and Lobsang find on the way to Jeremy's shop (where LZ warns him not to touch the hovering arrow) isn't mentioned, true, but Ankh-Morpork's a big city, I'm sure they can have more than one arrest at once. Tyrhinis 17:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

If you really want, you can cite the Annotated Pratchett File for support for the above statement. --Kerowyn ^{Leave a note} 19:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)