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[edit] Kierkegaard again
It's fine to leave something about Kierkegaard in, but why is it it's own section. It seems like a very minor thing comparatively. --209.43.8.89 03:52, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
--Not so, philosiphy was a large part of Bhor's life, and Kierkegaard was one of his favorite philosiphers.--65.102.168.16 06:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
--A problem in this section, it just pulls these two names out of thin air. it should read something like [insert title here] so-and-so of so-and-so.
[edit] Cruelty to Animals?
I removed this quote: "It is a litle known fact that Niels Bohr was once arrested for cruelty to animals. He was caught electrocuting baby rabits and was disgraced from the Polish institute of science"
Apart from it not being spelled correctly (rabits), it seems a bit far fetched. No citation either. Smells like vandalism to me.
--Although I cannot provide conclusive evidence on this due to the fact that it's so insanely unusual that finding any resource on it at all would be near impossible, I think that it's safe to say that Bohr is not at all the sort of person who would do that.--65.102.168.16 06:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)ISIAH HERRIN
When has he ever been a member of the Polish institute of science (if such an organization even exists)?--Nwinther 13:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Can Anyone Verified This Statement (Not Yet Added)
"Nuclear physicist Niels Bohr was rescued in the nick of time from German occupied Denmark. While Danish resistance fighters provided covering fire he ran out the back door of his home stopping momentarily to grab a beer bottle full of precious "Heavy Water." He finally reached England still clutching the bottle. Which contained beer. I suppose some German drank the Heavy Water."
- PROJECT-ION PHOENIX 11:40, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
It is not true. Bohr escaped from Denmark around the time of the persecusion of the danish jews. He got on a fishing-boat and sailed to Sweden. Once there, he arranged a meeting with the principal of the university of Stockholm, and an audience with the norwegian crown-prince (or king).
- What was the Norwegian Crown-prince (or king) doing in Sweden? In fact he had an audience with the Swedish king. The theme of the audience was to secure the maintenance of the Danish jews coming over the sound on boats. This, however, had already been secured on Swedens own initiative and the audience was redundant.--Nwinther 13:32, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Prior to his escape he'd gotten offers from both britain and the US to come there (covertly of course) and do research. He had denied for some time, but the jewish perscution convinced him.
From sweden, he got passage to britain, though not without trouble. The first plane had engine-trouble and had to turn around - during the second attempt he didn't listen to the pilots instructions when to use the oxygen-mask, and after they landed in britain, Bohr told the pilot, that he'd slept like a baby all the ride. However, he had in reality passed out from lack of oxygen, and only his failure to respond to the pilots orders, which caused the pilot to descend into oxygen-rich altitudes, saved his life.
In London he was involved briefly in "tube-alloys" and later in the joint anglo-american effort to make a nuclear weapon.
He had nothing with him in regards of nuclear material, such as heavy water, but more importantly, information from Heisenberg on how the situation with the german bomb was.
Once in the US, he had little to do with the Los Alamos-compound. He worked as a confessionary father for the younger scientists there, and contributed to the making of the nagasaki-bomb, by figuring out how to make the initiators (detonators) for that bomb.
Possibly he's been used as a consultant on the theoritical parts of the bombs, as his compound-nuculous (spelling?) -theory was the basis for most of the assumptions on effect of fission.
- Bohr was flown out of Sweden in the bomb-bay of an RAF/BOAC de Havilland Mosquito fast 'courier' aircraft. These aircraft were used to fly small-volume/high-value 'packages' in and out of Sweden - the initial cargoes were ball bearings and the route became known as 'the ball-bearing' run. Ian Dunster 11:04, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Tone Down Last Passage
The next to last paragraph needs some toning down.
Then do it - that is the whole philosophy behind wikipedia --snoyes 20:17 Feb 18, 2003 (UTC)
Source of information on Bohr's role in the Manhattan Project: [1] -- Tim Starling 13:22 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Removed Afshar experiment referernces
I have removed references to the Afshar experiment from this page. I don't think they belong in a biography about Bohr; which the Afshar experiment puts in to question some of Bohr's discoveries, I can't think of an appropriate way of adding that informaiton here without it seeming out of place. Samboy 10:13, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Kierkegaard
I have removed the refererence to Kierkegaard. It is s persistent myth that Bohr was inspired by the famous danish philosopher in his work on physics. The philosopher and expert on Niels Bohr, David Favrholdt has worked half his life to kill the myth. Johan Bressendorff
According to Pais, Bohr admired Kierkegaards language not his ideas, with which he heartedly disagreed.
[edit] Pop culture
Should Niels Bohr's appearance in pop culture (Such as a level involving him in Secret Weapons over Normandy) be mentioned?
[edit] Quotes
The quote "Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future." is, in danish lore, contributed to Storm P. - Not Niels Bohr.
Should this be mentioned in the article?
- At the very least, the quote should be removed -- if it wasn't said by Bohr then that means there is an error, and errors should be removed whenever found.
Done and done.
[edit] jewish-danish
Doesnt it sound a bit stupid to say jewish-danish i mean we dont say christian-danish or muslim-danish we just say danish, this isnt very important i know but Niels Bohr himself probably didnt see himself as a jew but as a dane and his father was (acording to this article) not jewish. So why call him a danish-jew? Isnt it better to say that his mother was a jew and his father a christian?
It certainly DOES sound stupid, and seems to be a recurring theme on some articles.
- Was he practicing? If so, it should be mentioned somewhere in the article. But yes, it is a bit awkward to identify him that way. Gershwinrb 04:10, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
No, he was NOT practicing. He was, in all but name, an ateheist or agnostic and the part of his life where one can say he belonged to a denomination, it was the lutheran church (in his younger years) and he denounced that as well (as did much of his family). To my knowledge, Bohr didn't identify himself as a jew and did very little to make religion a part of his life, judeaism or otherwise.
- By Jewish law, unless he converted he remains a Jew. Erasing a category seems like a religious policing. Any objections to Jewish sciensists? Mhym 11:46, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
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- And all people are my willing slaves whether they know it or not or whether they renounce me nor not. That is my law. Ergo, you are my slave. (And all your base are belong to us) Jews are not (nessicerily) a race. People of asian (or any other) descent can convert to judeaism. To my knowledge, no genetic alterations happen in the process. I'm sure Bohr didn't care much about jewish "law". It seems to me that the only ones interested in pointing out who were jews and who were not, are jews themselves. It dosen't say on very many articles whether someone was Causian - certainly, it doens't have entire paragraphs on the subject.--Nwinther 13:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
As "A is A", a Jew is a Jew, regardless of practice: Being Jewish is not just a religion, it is a race. Just because he was not practicing Judiaism, he was still Jewish, full stop. He should not even be listed under "Danish physicists", being that Jews do not belong to such categories but none the less it didn't matter to him of his religon he was just a physicst !as "Danish", "German", "English", "Russian", etc.--They are their own people. They will try to give you pretence that it is not the case, but when it gets down to it, that's the way it is.
---It is true that according to the religion one who is born a jew will remain a jew, but it makes no sense whatsoever to say that he is not danish. After all he was born and remained for his entire life a danish citizen. If being jewish was like being a nationality and should therefore replace the nationality one would think that after several generations they will be citizens of the country in which they live rather than remaining jewish. That is what usually happens when a family moves from one country to another. As it is not so with jews they clearly do not belong in that category. It makes no sense to call him jew-danish. It would be better just to note somewhere that he was a jew, but that he was not practising. Elentirmo 01:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Humanitarian work
The article could expand to include Bohr's efforts to help Jewish scientists leave Germany and obtain work elsewhere. If I had references handy I'd add this myself, but the day the Germans invaded Bohr and his associates frantically destroyed years of records of the many people he had helped, even concealing someone's Nobel Prize medal by dissolving it in a solution of aqua regia. Durova 21:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bohr's correspondence
Something that's both profound and a bit light-hearted: Bohr's terrible penmanship was legend within the physics community. One professor I took a class from recalled a sequence when Bohr gave a lecture at UC Berkeley, and Bohr, in his typical soft-spoken style, lectured and wrote indecipherable scribbles on the chalkboard. At one point, Bohr paused, erased one squiggle and replaced with another, slightly different, but equally incomprehensible chalkmark.
Due to this, it has been said, much of Bohr's correspondence with colleagues was typed (first by his mother, then by his wife?), and copies were kept on file, providing a trove of historical information, especially his famous debates with Einstein. This correspondence forms the basis of the Niels Bohr Archive.
I don't recall the name of the professor, but when (if?) I do, I'll add that in. Tmurase 17:37, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Barometer Story
I remember hearing this story as a teenager in the 70s or 80s. When I heard it, it was not attributed to anyone in particular. I suspect that the attribution to Niels Bohr is just to make the story sound better and not based on fact. It would be nice to get a citation one way or the other. WilliamKF 00:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, I found a source that dates this back to a 1958 Reader's Digest, I am going to remove the quote from this page as it appears falsely attributed to Neils Bohr WilliamKF 00:12, 29 August 2006 (UTC):
[edit] Chemist or Physicist
Bohr was a Chemist, not a physicist (and was actually quite annoyed by the fact that he was repeatedly recognized as a physicist).
-This is such preposterous claim. Forgive me if I am blunt, but you obviosly don't know much about what a physicist and a chemist is. Maybe you should read some physics history books to see what Bohr is. Please don't mislead people by such absurd claims. Maybe you should just read what this wikipedia article is saying about his career: studying under a physicist, working with the great physicist Rutherford, heading a theoretical physics group, winning the Nodel prize in physics, simply doing physics for the rest of his life. -Ur
[edit] Vandalism
This article has some traces of vandalism. Can someone check the details? Bohr and his brother played for rubles?
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