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Contents 1 newb with a proposal 2 Response 3 Cricket 4 See also 5 Get Well soon 6 Desai speaks at last :) 7 Welcome back ! 8 Nicolau 9 Bengali interwiki 10 Cricket collaboration of the fortnight 11 Quotes from wikiquote to wikipedia 12 Maharashtra/temp 13 Did you know? 14 Kannur 15 Did you know? 16 India in Inuktitut language 17 Maharashtra/temp 18 Thanks 19 Indiya 20 Please stop! 21 India on Gothic Wikipedia 22 Chess 23 Date format change 24 Windows 2000 25 India 26 UK - Australia relations 27 Re: User:Taxman's kid 28 Green 29 Non-English Wikipedias 30 Ashes Image 31 Maharashtra 32 Hi 33 Re: Linux config 34 Thanks 35 Geography of India 36 Singapore 37 Be bold :-) 38 Geography of India 39 My RFA 40 Aryan invasion theory 41 Signpost 42 Manual of Style: &nbsp

[edit] newb with a proposal

Greetings,

I know almost nothing about the world of wikipedia. I have (helped?) to start www.zeriwiki.org in an effort to help a group of people advance an important social mission. I think they are on to something very important and want to ensure it is recorded and hopefully implemented.

How does any of this involve you? I see your interest in India and would like to communicate with you about ensuring these ideas are spread to an Indian audience as I believe they would be beneficial to the people of that country and likely implemented there before they will be widespread here in the US.

I feel the same way about China, as these two countries, as well as several in Africa, suffer from overpopulation and neglect (for now) on behalf of the rest of the world. One major advantage this leaves them is that they have need and lower barriers to implementation of such important ideas by virtue of the lack of certain repercussions of the 'benefits' of being a 'first world country'.

Perhaps you can review the wiki and suggest appropriate help - I don't have a budget (considering going to soros) and I don't have knowledge abut the wiki system, but I have good intentions, determination, compassion, peace, freedom and even abundance... sometimes ;)

Thanks for your help!

namaste. -Justin justin@lightservers.net (my colleagues got me on to the wiki thing :)

I don't know what to do as there isn't a goal of the project on the page.  =Nichalp (talk • contribs)= 08:04, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Response

Thanks for your comments.

I am a bit stubborn, yes, but just look at their attitude towards me in Zanskar and other articles. All I request from them is a little patience.

You stated that /temp page for the article, but it is often a mirror image of the original article. The temp page should be done if a major structural and content change is expected. The temp page has a limited shelf life and should be open to others to comment about it. However using a temp page to portray a viewpoint or biased matter is a gross abuse of its use

That is exactly what I'm doing for Wee Kim Wee. However, I don't understand why Mel stated that I am taking ownership of articles. His impatience also caused the result of this dispute, if you realise that. I admit that my English my have its flaws, but stating about the issue of personal attacks I have my backings against them.

Also what I did in Zanskar was doing for major structural changes. If you can see, the older version of Zanskar needs major structural editing, especially in the format and english.

I"ll stop here. Anyway, I hope you understand my quick-cut comments, as I have a lot to do. Thanks a lot.

Tan 18:21, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

If you read the RfC, you'd have seen Smoddy say that we are extremely calm and patient with him. He's not.

Zanskar's English is okay. I dunno why he has to do this. JMBell° 11:13, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

You do not understand why. The article is just unacceptable. if I give a detail of the explaination, it will take a lot of time. So I want to edit first, then explain why. I am not vandalising at all!

Tan 23:22, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Things do not work this way, Tan, much as I'd regret to say. You only have limited power here. You must give a detail first before editing so that you won't be judged as a vandal. It's true - if the RfC has no effect on your behavior, we will have no choice except to request for arbitration. I really don't want to do this because then it will be on our record, so please listen to us. You only need to give a short explanation of your edits with a few details, and if we approve (I might), then you can go ahead. But not the other way round. JMBell° 15:30, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

That is exactly what I have proposed to do. What I'm wondering is: is it legal to "claim" a temp page as your own property and tell others not to edit it? My understanding of Wikipedian policies is that all articles can and may be edited by any user, even user pages that aren't their own. I just want to know if it's allowed to keep a temp page to yourself and then replace the whole of the original text with the /temp page and then ask others their opinion. If that's the case, shouldn't we be using a subuserpage instead of a temp page? Wondering, JMBell° 12:10, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cricket

Well, if rules are available online or in printed format they would be a great thing to use to verify that the article is correct. Then check for any books on cricket. Try to use those to verify the facts in the article. Perhaps look for commentary from prominent observers of the sport. Is there some official compendium of statistics? That could be used as a reference for any that are cited, such as records, etc. Some of this should be available online and that would be great, but ideally both online and printed sources would be used. Hope that helps. - Taxman 13:03, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] See also

Does {{see also2|this|that}} work? -SV|t 21:47, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I made some more see also templates

[edit] Get Well soon

Dear Nicholas,

    Hope it is nothing serious, get well soon --IMpbt 21:26, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Dear Nichalp,

I'm very sorry to hear that you are sick, and I'm here to wish you for a speedy recovery.

As for the hostile and hard-headed Mel, don't worry about me and him, I can manage to solve the dispute with him collaboratively.

Tan 22:44, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

• Hi. Hope you get better soon! When you do, have a look at User:Smoddy/WikiReader Cricket on my suggested content for the cricket wikireader. Cheers, Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 16:22, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

• • Hello, wishing you a speedy recovery! Thanks, too, for your opinions! Best regards - JMBell° 16:52, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

• • • Adding my concurrence with the views expressed above. Get well soon, jguk 17:22, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Take it easy, my friend. Hope you get well very soon. Take Care. -- PFHLai 19:41, 2005 May 14 (UTC)
      • I feel sad. Please take care. I wish you fast recovery. Please take rest, and donot worry much.--Bhadani 04:45, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Gracious - I didn't know you were poorly. Get well soon. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:20, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Desai speaks at last :)

Sorry, was extremely busy. Saw your message for help on Goa just now. Still busy with some work. Not sure if I'll be able to login often, so what I'll do is check this page. You could send me messages in here itself and I'll reply here. I had entered quite a bit in a lot of sections. What I'll tell you right now was, we had a problem with Lucio Mas abt a year back, he kept changing it to "Portuguese India", and we had to revert it back everytime. After a complaint to the mods, he got quiet, so I thought he got banned. I know FN, also know that he's sensible, and you can refer to what he says as fact. Wish you speedy recovery, just read that ur sick... --Desai 19:05, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome back !

Good to hear that you feeling better. Welcome back ! :-) -- PFHLai 06:41, 2005 May 17 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear that you're feeling better. May I ask what it was you were sick with? Best regards and welcome back! JMBell° 11:29, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Welcome back! utcursch | talk 11:35, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Good to see you back. You may be interested to see Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Collaboration of the fortnight - if we can tempt you away from India articles for a bit:) All the best, jguk 12:05, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Nice to see you back :-) --IMpbt 13:35, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Very glad to see you back! Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 16:51, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nicolau

Your name in Portuguese ;). I think the info in [1] would be enough. It is in the article. And it is possibly were Lúcio got his info about the subject in demographics. hugs. -Pedro 22:20, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bengali interwiki

I can read Bengali, although I don't always understand what I'm reading, and not very good at typing Bengali (although I can write it well). Anyway, I took a look at bn:. Unfortunately, the article (bn:ভারত) seems to only consist of the text "ভারত", bhārat. It interwikis to the "India" articles on many different languages, including en:. There isn't any history (it was created earlier this year) and I couldn't find the article under any other name. Is it worth interwikiing to this "article" (which would qualify for speedy deletion here) or should I keep an eye on it until it is expanded? Linking now might influence someone to improve it. — Knowledge Seeker দ 06:03, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cricket collaboration of the fortnight

The Ashes has been selected as the first cricket collaboration of the fortnight with four support votes. Let's all now make it up to featured status before the first Test. Kind regards, jguk 07:29, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes from wikiquote to wikipedia

Hi! Your links from wikiquote to wikipedia are consistently incorrect -- en: is obselete, please use w:. If you wish to reply, I'm MosheZadka on wikiquote. 80.74.101.132 08:36, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, :o =Nichalp (talk • contribs)=

[edit] Maharashtra/temp

See the talk page for my edit, please. This also applies to Wee Kim Wee/temp.

Tan 00:54, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Did you know?

[edit] Kannur

I have created Kannur article . Will you help the article to Featured article status sumal

[edit] Did you know?

[edit] India in Inuktitut language

I made the stub, although I just transcribed the English name, I found no reference to India in Inuktitut anywhere. The stub is at ᐃᓐᑎᐊ. --Diderot 12:07, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Maharashtra/temp

Hi Nicholas, regarding the above, would it be a better idea to have this article on a user subpage? It's currently in the main namespace, yet seems to be your personal draft, and until recently had a do-not-edit notice on it. Is there a particular reason you don't want it on a user subpage? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 15:18, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks, Nichalp. I have alrwady seen your comments, and they really give me a sense of inspiration to me. I'm really sorry for all the trouble caused upon you with my "war" against Mel Etitis. I do not understand where I'm rude, but anyway I"ll give a try to improve my social adequate--got to settle my things first before I leave.

Tan 17:37, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Indiya

Well, I think so. American languages are different so among them, but this pronunciation isn't hard enought. Eequor is iu: (inuktitut) administror and could maybe help you with it. Good luck! --Huhsunqu 21:18, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Please stop!

Nichalp, PLEASE stop adding your pages to Wikipedias in languages you don't know!!

For many of these Wikipedias, the name of the country isn't even "India", and even then the article is of little help and might even be considered vandalism (what little content it does have, is in English)

Those you have already created I am going to ask for them to be deleted, unless somebody improves them in the meantime...

Node 05:35, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

I have modified the article about India on Javanese wikipedia. Personally I don't mind too much, I don't consider it as vandalism, at least on Javanese Wikipedia. Well Nichalp at least has tried his best to look at the content of other articles. Meursault2004 09:50, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi, yes, on the jv.wikipedia he did good. But on other Wikipedias he didn't even have text, just an image, or the text was in the total wrong language.

The languages he did this on (there are others): tpi: (fixed), chr:, sw: (fixed), ps:, km:, roa-rup:, sd:, cv:, nv: (deleted)... sd: was in Hindi, ps: was in Arabic.

I don't know Nichalp but it looks to me like you think other Wikipedias are just some joke. It's fine to add a page if it's in the native language but I am going to tell you again: do NOT add pages like you did in chr:, roa-rup:, etc with just 3 images and a small amount of text in English! Especially do not add long articles in the entire wrong language like you did on ps: (Arabic is a very different language from Pashto) and sd: (Sindhi is a different language from Hindi!). Articles like those types are not acceptable and it just makes more work for everybody to delete them. It's fine if you have somebody translate it for you (like you did with got:, mt:, etc...), go ahead and do that as much as you want, but the others were NOT acceptable. Do NOT continue to do that! --Node 20:08, 29 May 2005 (UTC) added mt:Indja .. Srl 18:11, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Re: rather than nominating for deletion or deleting, turning into a stub article: For most of these languages, I can't do that and I don't know anybody who can. Others though I can try - Yiddish and Sardinian for example, I should be able to write a short article about India. I don't want to write just a sentence though, so do you think you could give me a paragraph (5-7 sentences) to translate with the basic information about India? --Node 00:39, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] India on Gothic Wikipedia

PS I did not find any online link where I could learn more about this language.

I don't know in which languages you are proficient, but a good resource about basis Gothic is [members.terracom.net/~dorothea/david/gothic/ Gothic Lessons], written in English. This site doesn't use the Gothic script, but a chart of the script can be found in my (Dutch) wikibook on learning Gothic, [2] here (you don't need to know Dutch for the chart, it should be clear without the headers, but the first is the Gothic character, the second the name and the third the transcibed character in Latin script).

This should be enough to get started reading the Gothic articles.

About the Gothic article on India, the reason it didn't exsist, and is rather difficult to create, is that a lot of names weren't know by the Goths, who never had that much contact with peoples outside mainland Europe and scandinavia. Therefore, most names of places and languages have just been transcribed, or in case of the languages, turned into neologisms.

Anyway, thanks for the images, and feel free to try to enhance the article, in the Gothic wikipedia grammatical / spelling errors are not that problematic, since there are 0 native speakers of Gothic, and most people writing / reading there are students in the language (including myself, I learned it in my free time and I don't pretend to be professional or anything, I know moderately Gothic, and am working to improve myself and teach others) and make many mistakes, too.

Harðor 13:02, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it is perfectly possible and I think even presumable that the Goths might have heard of India, but I don't know how much information they had, and no Gothic writings concerning India has been found. And, because of the linguistic / ethnic relation between Germanic tribes and Indian peoples, it is even possible that legends far predating Alexandrian times have existed about "a land far to the south east". Unfortunately, nothing remains of it, and unless new manuscripts are to be found, we may never know for sure.

What do you mean with Cyrillic as a roman language? I always thought it was the name of a script used to write Slavic languages, which are not Romance, but a seperate but related (about just as close as Germanic is related to both) family.

The script used to write Gothic is the Wulfilan alphabet, named after the Visigothic bisshop whose writings are the only manuscripts to survive, and who is also considered the inventor of the script (he used it to translate the Bible in Gothic, and thus needed characters for sounds not found in Runes, which were also / previously used).

The script was inspired by Greek, Runic and Roman scripts, and is thus related to the Latin script used today. Many of the characters might be readable without practice.

The script is indeed not supported as standard Unicode, and is a bit difficult to activate in some operating systems. This is because the characters are located on Plane 1 of unicode, which contains among others archaic European scripts. Plane 1 is located after the "standard 16 bit Unicode" of 65535 characters, and needs 32 bits (two characters) to display one glyph. It is, however, part of Unicode.

Harðor

[edit] Chess

You can't play in the championship, at least not until/unless we have another one, but if you just want to play a game of chess there are people that will play you a game. If you want, I'll play you, just go to my user page and click the link there. -Sholtar | talk 19:07, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

To play, just edit the page and move a piece. -Sholtar | talk 20:39, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

I may have misunderstood what you meant... if you thought that I meant to play on the talk page, sorry. I meant click the link right under the link to my talk page. The one that says "Play me a game of chess." -Sholtar | talk 02:30, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Date format change

May I ask why you are changing the date format? --Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu 20:55, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Windows 2000

Thanks for helping with spelling errors. I'm always pretty bad with that sort of stuff. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:37, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

No probs, just ran it through my word processor. =Nichalp (Talk)= 09:51, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] India

Yes ഇന്ത്യ means India -Bijee 15:47, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] UK - Australia relations

I don't really know what you mean by "UK- Australia relations before 1882". There was no such place as "Australia" in a political sense before Federation. In 1882 Australia was five self-governing colonies and one crown colony (WA). The colonies did not have foreign relations and dealt with the British government through the Colonial Office. I'm not sure what connection this could have had to cricket. Adam 22:59, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't think there was any hostility between Australians and British in the 1870s. The majority of Australians were British by birth and most of the rest regarded themselves as British by blood and by loyalties. Most Anglo-Australians were Empire loyalists, the only significant exception to this was the Irish minority. I don't think your thesis will hold water in this instance. In any case I've never seen any suggestion that sporting relations between Britain and the Australian colonies were anything other than friendly. Adam 12:36, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: User:Taxman's kid

I saw your comment on his talk page. I am quite certain that User:Taxman's child was created solely because of User:Taxman, as his only two edits were to request an account at the "User:Bank of Wikipedia" and to demand money from his "father" (see Taxman's child (talk • contribs)). I asked that user to change his name; the next day I blocked it indefinitely. He then created User:Taxman's kid to protest my block. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Advice on username block. I plan to block this second account as well unless the user can come up with some good reason. If you feel I am in error, please let me know or add to the discussion at WP:AN/I. Thanks! — Knowledge Seeker দ 09:10, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Green

I support your idea of trying a different green - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Babel#en-0 - Robin Patterson 23:20, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Non-English Wikipedias

Hi Nichalp,

The rules for translation only apply when there is an active community.

Generally, a page will be allowed to remain for a couple of weeks in the wrong language before being deleted.

However, in most of the Wikipedias in question, there is a 0-5% chance that the article would be translated in that time period, as there are few or no active users.

I'll work on the promised translations now.

Node 00:02, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ashes Image

Hi. Alas I didn't keep a copy of the image (which I did up in Paintshop Pro). I have copied it off the wikipedia and converted to png format as you suggested though (and changed the article).

I also posted it to commons. - Ian 05:47, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation - that's filled in a few gaps for me. How do you categorise an image in the commons after uploading?. Yes, can you deleet the dupliactes please. - Ian 08:00, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Maharashtra

Hello, Nichalp, nice to see you again (I may or may not be leaving).

I have noticed that all the contents have been shifted from Maharashtra/temp to the main article itself. Do you need such a hassle to go through several users before you can move the page independently? This is what happened to Wee Kim Wee.

Your comment will be greatly appreciated.

Tan 17:35, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi and thanks for the welcome. I just look in now and then, but I am afraid to begin contributing seriously lest I get fully involved again:-) Lets see. BTW, its good to see that you have been very consistent, I think you are the only one from us early Indian wikipedians who is still active. KRS 15:21, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Linux config

Hi Nichalp!

It sounds strange, huh? I think it's network based, to be honest. You're saying it's only going to mandrake-related sites... is it possible that these sites are actually stored in the system itself? Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 15:25, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your support vote on my adminship, even though I have withdrawn candidacy. — Chameleon 19:10, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Geography of India

• Hi, sure. I will try to do that today and on monday.--Bhadani 12:56, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi, some of the write up on the rivers of india (especially the classification) was pretty good and covers more ground. Anyway that can be accommodated into the present write up ?. --IMpbt 15:15, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This was the geographical area based classification and listing of rivers (himalayan, peninsular, coastal, inland basin). This is the most prevelant classification I can find on the net (the references were in the html comments of that section). I think we could possibly spin this off into another article by itself.--IMpbt 17:30, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think we are having a edit conflict, because we are both trying to save the article at the same time. I will stop for now, pick up during a period of inactivity.--IMpbt 19:53, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Singapore

Hi Nichalp,

I did some touchup on the Singapore article, and would like to invite to you review it before I send it for FAC again (which you previously objected to). Please do let me know how is it, and if any further improvement is needed. Looking forward to hearing from you. :)

- Best regards, Mailer Diablo 14:54, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi Nichalp,

Thanks for the feedback, I'll take a look into it. Hopefully I and my fellow editors will be to work hard enough to raise the article to FA standards. :)

-Cheers, Mailer Diablo 15:23, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Be bold :-)

If you think you can make it better, by all means don't let me get in the way! Thanks for asking first, though - Ta bu shi da yu 23:19, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Geography of India

Great effort on the article. I will copy edit the article in the next 2 days. I will also try to expand the linked articles from the article over this week and the next. kaal 05:41, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Same from me. Also will work on Indian Railways this weekend. -- Sundar (talk • contribs) 05:52, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My RFA

Hi Nichalp, thank you for your vote of confidence on my recent successful RFA, it was much appreciated. I will work to demonstrate that your trust was well-placed. And keep up the awesome work on the India-related articles, it really is a breath of fresh air from the otherwise eurocentric en wiki atmosphere! Fawcett5 19:36, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome. =Nichalp (Talk)= 19:40, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Aryan invasion theory

Hi Nichalp. I notice that you've removed the WP:FARC nomination for Aryan invasion theory. I would like to know why you did that even when a number of people have voted for it's removal? Also, you've not archived the nominations with a conclusion of either keep/remove. Am I missing something here? -- Sundar (talk • contribs) 09:23, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

If you remove the nominatins, please go the full way and add the appopriate notes to the articles talk page. Otherwise you may be wasting somebody's job, allowing bad article to stay and acting contrary to the FARC spirit. Also, Aryan invasion theory was nominated on 4th, you should not remove this one, especially considerign the amount of votes. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 09:46, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

OK, I see your point. Glad to have it resolved. I don't watch Talk on FARC, so I didn't see your motion, but I agree with it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 10:58, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Even I saw your point completely only now. I've replied you in my talk page. -- Sundar 11:09, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Signpost

Thanks for letting me know about the FARC story. I will say, however, that it would probably be better in the future to post any news story suggestions in the newsroom, since that will allow me to get the story in on Monday. I think most people read the signpost on Monday, and as a result, they'll never see the sections that are added on Wednesday. I'm not sure yet what's going to happen with this particular story -- personally, I'm in favor of taking it out of this week's edition and putting it in next week's. That way everyone sees it, albeit a bit late. If that's a problem, let me know. --Spangineer (háblame) 10:56, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll include that bit of info. I probably would have looked up the discussion to find out on Saturday or Sunday when I write the article, but thanks, now that's not necessary. --Spangineer (háblame) 19:42, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Manual of Style: &nbsp

thanks for your comment - i didn't realise! I had made a few other alterations to the article, which got reverted too though - so I've put them back. UkPaolo 12:27, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)