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[edit] American Born

I'm going to cahnge American born Australian actress, to Australian-American actress, as she was born in the United States, which makes her a US citizen, although i believe she has dual citizenship. Mac Domhnaill 03:25, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

No, she was just born there while her parents were there breifly. That would be like claiming Patric Mcgoonan was an American because he was there. She was only born there for a short time and easily could have been born in Australia. She has always called herself an Australian and never once called herself an American. She is not American. It would be like calling Olivia Mary de Havilland Japanese because she was born there. You can call her American born, but not an American. --unsigned comments from Sliat 1981 (talk)

Actually, if you check you will find that she didn't move to Australia until she was four. --Yamla 21:08, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

She has never ever once refered herslef as an American. I know you'd like to claim her as one of your own, but face facts. She's Australian, NOT American.

The facts are she is an Academy awarding winning actress, born in the US, lived here until she was four, and now has dual citizenship and residences in both countries. These are the facts, which is what we deal with here at Wiki. Not supposition. If you have a reputable source (most ezines and mags are not reputable) stating she is in fact Australian,then cite your source. Reference in the article to her being "Australian" needs to cited. If you state she is, you need to cite it. Lack of reference to her being either does not. User:Sliat 1981 has continually disrupted the editing process despite the history of this article and the consensus. Continual disruption means they should be taken to task. The only claim being made is by User:Sliat 1981, and stating dual citizenship does not make the claim, as this user suggests ("you'd like to claim her as one of your own", as stated above), that she is an "American". The facts are stated in dual citizenship. Amerindianarts 17:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

But how do you tell her nationality? How do you tell nationality while we're at it? In one country it's the country of birth, in another it's heritage and in some others it's the citizenship. Who's right? I'm Israeli even though I wasn't born here. That's how I feel and that's how it's considered here. Anyway, her nationality should be what she said it is. Not anything else. Northern 12:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rumored cause of divorce

I read somewhere that Cruise divorced her because she was pregnant with Russel Crowe's child (and that this became news in Europe when Crowe published a song about the matter). Is there any truth to this?

[edit] gay icon again

Why has this article been put in Category:Gay icons, again? The word "gay" and "icon" do not appear anywhere in the article. There is no text to support this claim. There should be a quote of somebody somewhere saying Kidman is a "gay icon". Wikipedia should not be a publisher of original opinion. Also, please don't respond by citing sources here. If sources exist, please put them into the actual article. Until the sources are included, this article is going against verifiability policy. If it's important to say she is a gay icon, then its important to actually say it in the body of the article. Also note, being a gay icon, means more then having some gay fans (anybody with a couple dozen fans, probably has gay fans, after all). --Rob 07:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conspiracy theory

One thing that I feel should be mentioned would be the fact that she is a verified XY female. Thats the reason why her children are adopted btw, she is infertile and doesnt have a uterus/ovaries. 67.182.22.63 23:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, right. Please stop vandalising Wikipedia with your insane theories. That's what blogs are for.--Yamla 00:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
It is not an insane theory. XY female are such because they are biologically male but lack a functional gene for testosterone receptors in various organs. They are physiologically no different from any normal woman, other than the fact that they do not have a functioning reproductive system. Some people believe quite firmly that some well-known people such as Nicole Kidman or Jamie Lee Curtis are in fact, such XY females. Putting a vandalism tag on my comment page for putting forth a theory on a talk page is a bit over the top isnt it? 67.182.22.63 01:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Please provide a citation that verifies this "fact". Also, please provide some explanation on how Ms. Kidman could become pregnant if she is in fact a verified XY female. I really do not think the vandalism tags were unwarranted here. --Yamla 01:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

There are two related syndromes that cause geneticaly normal MALES to appear as female. One is where the receptors do not function. The other is where they do function, but the body lacks an enzyme necessary to utilse the androgen. Either way, the body has a blind vagina and takes on a degree of female secondary sexual characteristics at puberty. However they are MEN who appear as women, as there is no such thing as an "XY female." They have to appear as women because there is no way to make their body respond to any form of masculinisation whatsoever. JBDay 23:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit]  ?????

BMX Bandits is probably her best movie to date as it required little or no acting talent

-S
  • If this is an expert opinion then you would think the writer would have the balls to sign their name.Amerindianarts 04:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wedding paragraph

The paragraph about her wedding with Keith Urban contains personal remarks and conversational style. Needless to say, it is - sporadically - not well-written. Also, who cares enough for ALL the details of her wedding? The paragraph provides way too many information and it is far larger in comparison to other paragraphs that contain more interesting and vital information. It should contain less information. I wonder how the author doesn't mention her underwear brand (worn especially for the wedding), must have slipped him/her! I seriously think her acting work and her life with Tom Cruise (if we need to consider some "personal life" information) are far more important as it is, than the lengthy description of her wedding. Some people just maniacally write down huge amounts of very recent information, as if Wikipedia is E!News or something.


Xanthi22 21:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


  • You have got that right. Too many star-gazers out there in Wikiland thinking these celeb articles are their big chance to write a gossip column. The fact that they were married in Sidney is sufficient. The rest is unencyclopedic and nothing more than idle chit-chat. Amerindianarts 23:23, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
    • But at least it used E!Online and People Magazine as reputable references! ;) I edited a week ago to 'In 2006 Kidman married Keith Urban' but it was revereted. Maybe I'll try again soon... --Steve 23:15, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
      • Doesn't matter. The edit was poorly written and the info was not encyclopedic. This is an encyclopedia format, not an E-news or People magazine. The fact that they were married is sufficient for an encyclopedia format, the rest is not. Any future edits that are not encyclopedic (meaning they don't conform to Wiki policy) will be edited out. Amerindianarts 00:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
You missed my sarcasm of E!Online and People as reputable sources! I've edited the personal life section down to the basic facts. --Steve 00:25, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] American Debut

Dead Calm was a Warner Bros film, directed by Philip Noyce, so how can the article talk about Days of Thunder as her American debut? --Steve 00:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish ancestry?

According to the NNDB, her father is of Jewish ancestry?[1] Is that true? I've never seen any reliable sources for it. It could or probably is more NNDB crap, but if anyone knows for sure.... Mad Jack 07:11, 19 August 2006 (UTC) Nope. She does not pray to Moses.

not impossible as there has been significant Jewish immigration to Australia. Arniep 03:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

she is pro israel that is for sure--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 13:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Whatever the case, "Jewish blood" does not read well and it should also not be in the header imho. It should be under early life, family background or the like if mentioned at all. In the past I would have removed this unless it could be clearly established by numerous reliable sources. I will not edit this now however.--Tom 21:42, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Quite correct. It's a weird mistake for the NNDB to make. Not because they're reliable or anything like that - they've made a boatload of mistakes. It's just that they usually copy other peoples' mistakes and not make up their own ones. Anyway, I was the one who added the info currently in the article (i.e. her mother's Scottish ancestry, etc.) from a book bio of Kidman. I couldn't find anything else. If anyone has a reliable source for any other ancestry, great. If not, not. As for being pro-Israel, a ton of people who are not Jewish at all are pro-Israel, including half the people who signed the petition or letter that Kidman did in August. Mad Jack 06:51, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
'Hollywood' tends to know on which side their bread is buttered! And I removed the sentence from the lead until a citation that Nicole Kidman herself identifies in any way. And then it can go in the body somewhere. --Steve (Slf67) talk 08:39, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Australian/American

I think this article should be locked until mediation...etc sorts out this issue over if she is to be listed as Australian or American.

But here is some food for thought - Russell Crowe is listed as "New Zealand-Australian film actor" --Mikecraig 01:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

The same is said of country singer Keith Urban. Either American or Australian makes a claim that is not really lead paragraph material, but if she considers herself as Australian it can be intergrated in the main body where her dual nationality is again mentioned. Amerindianarts 03:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
There are always poor articles that can be used as evidence for most failings of Wikipedia ;) However, in this case, Kidman is a dual national, and the article lists her nationalities. That is encyclopaedic and those are the facts. Describing her as Australian without any citation is against WP:BLP. Most Autralians see her as a fellow Australian, as they (cautiously) embrace anyone who has made in big in the US, but the fact she holds a US passport is probably unknown to most. --Steve 23:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's true of some, but not of Kidman, who was enthusiastically embraced long before she embarked upon a US career. She was born to an Australian family, temporarily living in the US when she was born and lived for her first four years, and she was raised in Australia, and began her career in Australia. It's no stretch of the imagination that she would identify as Australian, despite the circumstance of her birth. Would "American-born Australian actress" work? The dual nationality situation is mentioned, and this provides further clarification. As User:Amerindianarts noted, her self-identity can be integrated into the main article (with a source backing up her own viewpoint as an Australian.) It shouldn't be too hard to find a quote/source where Kidman explains how she views herself and this could also be included. Someone else pointed out that Olivia de Havilland was born in Japan, but is not described as a Japanese actress. This is a similar situation. Rossrs 23:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Without reverting some bad revision on a protected page, I have to note, that "Australian" must be taken out. If Nicole Kidman holds dual citizenship, then she is not simply Australian. Putting Australian-American at the beginning of the article is additionally confusing. Saying that she believes herself Australian is not enough. You have to back it up with documentation. I would, however, be surprised if Ms. Kidman were to publically renounce an American citizenship, as it the United States where most of her bread is buttered. Her publicist has probably advised her against it. Bastiq▼e demandez 02:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Good points.Amerindianarts 02:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the protection on this article. The use of the term Australian in the opening sentence must be sourced with clear proof of Kidman's self-identification as Australian. The Request for Mediation has seemingly died, however, it may not have been appropriate to begin with. Unsourced information is simply not included in articles when challenged. If this commences again, I advise the involved individuals to file a Request for Comment. Bastiq▼e demandez 01:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
In view of the constant revision and lack of discussion attempting to resolve the issue the request for mediation was entirely appropriate. It initiated a process of resolution even if the mediators ignored the problem. Amerindianarts 01:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
The mediators did not ignore the problem. The Mediation cabal is severely overworked and understaffed. Mediation is best when there are more than one problem editors, and this is why I suggested another forum may be ultimately best. Bastiq▼e demandez 02:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Does the source added really state the case and support the claim that Kidman is an Aussie?? It is Urban who states "I was really proud. We’re both really proud Australians and the support we got from Australia was really overwhelming...". Urban is ironically enough, a New Zealander. Amerindianarts 00:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

That's a peculiar remark. Are you saying that Urban is confused, mistaken about his nationality? Seems a slightly arrogant suggestion, if you don't mind me saying. It would seem perfectly natural for him to consider himself to be an Australian, since that is where he spent the entirety of his formative years, and that fact is no doubt a major influence on his music, which is the reason for his fame in the first place.Ernest the Sheep 22:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)Ernest the Sheep

I would say he is confused on certain points, as are the edits you propose. He is indigenous to New Zealand. He may consider himself as an Australian, but the facts of citizenship dictate that he is also New Zealander (has he denounced that citizenship recently? Please inform me.). The facts belong in an opening paragraph. What he considers himself is fodder for the article content, as is his speaking for Kidman. His comment doesn't make it fact. Now, that was simple, wasn't it?Amerindianarts 10:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Again, I have to say that your assertion that he might be confused does smack of just a little bit of arrogance on your part, no offence intended. I have no knowledge of what citizenship Urban may hold at present, but I do not believe this to be of any particular relevance anyway. As far as I am aware Urban grew up in Australia and it would appear that he certainly regards himself as being an Australian, which is hardly unexpected. Yes, he may also be a New Zealander, but as far as I can tell in the field of country music his *nationality* is Australian. It is as a result of this kind of unsophisticated approach to matters, a fixation on the vagaries of citizenship and the like, that we end up with ridiculous arguments such as whether Kidman is an Australian or American. As far as I and the vast majority of the world is concerned Nicole Kidman has always been Australian, so it seems silly for wikipedia to even contemplate contradicting this. Kidman is an Australian actress who also happens to holds American citizenship. It is as simple as that. Ernest the Sheep 00:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
No, and so it's reverted. Still looking for a reference that states she considers herself Australian, over and above American. And, considering her lifestyle is funded by Hollywood, that is proving hard to find. --Steve 01:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I "love" how these "people" are putting up dodgy articles to justify this issue on the Aus v US citizen issue - what would be awesome if someone could get a statement from Kidman's management/agent regarding this. --Mikecraig 01:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Even in the case of a non-dodgy citation the info is hardly lead paragraph material in this case, but I'm not going to get into a revert war again with a user who refuses to reason, or engage in discussion as to consensus on the issue. Communication and mutual intelligibilty are lacking here. Amerindianarts 02:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
After checking various bios (Mel Gibson, Russell Crowe, Naomi Watts, Keith Urban, Errol Flynn) and the list of Australian actors it seems the Wiki precedent is to name the person as to citizenship. Gibson is listed as "American" stating that he maintained US citizenship after moving to and living in Australia for twelve years. One would assume that perhaps his family may have applied for Aussie citizenship after all those years, but the article does not refer to citizenship as such and lists him as an American actor, and he is included on the Wiki list of Australian actors. Flynn is listed as Australian: there is no reference to American citizenship (he may not have applied). Others are listed according to birthplace and applied citizenship. Amerindianarts 00:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Then why not do the simple: why not just list her as an Australian? After all that's how she feels about it! She has both Australian and American citizenship and she has the right to choose what's her nationality is out of these two. Of course, it'd be silly if she suddenly decided that she's Japanese or French never having such citizenships but as long as the person has a citizenship of a country, it's up to them to decide if it's their nationality.

[edit] Quick Time

Quick Time is free, you don't have to buy it to be able to watch Quick Time movies. In addition they can be played with VLC media player which is open source. Hence I will reinsert the links. And you even deleted the YouTube link. 84.41.34.154 08:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Look again. The YouTube link disappeared on an edit by 85.55.177.168, not my edit. When I went to the link you posted and tried to open the file it offered Quick Time for $29.95. I saw no free offer. Wiki is not too fond of these type of links (media), they really don't offer much info to be substantiated by a point in the article, which is the purpose of external linking. They also don't like links with downloads unless the download license can be verified. You might check this first.Amerindianarts 09:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nicole Kidman is an Australian

The description of her as being Australian-American is outright embarrassing. I can't recall ever hearing or reading such a statement elsewhere. She is universally regarded as being an Australian actress. So how about we exercise a little bit of common sense and change it back to just Australian? Who else agrees?Ernest the Sheep 22:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)Ernest the Sheep

I removed it, though I must admit I don't recall if that was the consensus of the RfC. --Yamla 22:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
The mediation is still open closed --Steve 23:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
She was born in the USA and holds dual citizenship. The current lead looks ok to me except I might put American before Australian :) Just kidding, keep as is is fine --Tom 21:49, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dr Kidman

A couple of people have been adding in an unsourced statement that Nicole's father Dr Anthony Kidman died in 2001. I believe this is a hoax and should be reverted on sight per WP:BLP. A quick Google search pulls up plenty of references that indicate he was alive at least as recently as October 24, 2006 [2]. Please revert this information if it continues to show up without sources. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 01:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Source requested for "Australian-ness"

I can't believe this has to be debated. It confuses citizenship with nationality/culture. I mean, it's not even as if Kidman is only a US citizen and even if she were, it still wouldn't necessarily make her culturally American. Plenty of people have only one citizenship and yet are still regarded as being part of another nationality (see Rupert Murdoch). Kidman happens to have been born in Hawaii. Big deal. Her parents are Australian, she grew up in Australia and went to school here. She speaks Australian English and is used as an example of "General Australian" accent in the article Varieties of Australian English. It doesn't need verification because it's bleeding obvious that she is culturally Australian. Grant65 | Talk 01:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Even though the burden of proof should be on the "she's-an-American-too" crowd, I have now provided two references:
  • "Hollywood was initially sceptical that because she was Australian she couldn't perform as a regular American. She says: "A common reaction from casting people and directors was, 'She can't do an American accent', or, 'How's she going to understand the American mentality?' Now it's almost a plus to be Australian, people are intrigued by it, they have seen we can do accents, we can take on personas, and we can embody characters."[3]
  • "NICOLE KIDMAN: I think being an Australian makes you unique in terms of working internationally. So therefore, if you find somebody else that you really like that happens to be the same nationality as you and happens to be, you know, what I consider the best hairdresser in the world - wow - then, there's a friendship, there's a professional respect."[4]
Grant65 | Talk 02:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)


Bah. This is being discussed over and over. We really need a policy here. Yes, she is Australian. No she's not an American. But it also has nothing to do with culture. The ONLY two things that made her Australian is the fact that she's an Australian citizen, and backed up by the only fact that she considers her Australian. Technically, you're X National if you hold X citizenship. Or at least, that's the most politically correct way to treat it.

The standard is to go by nationality. By that policy, she is American and Australian. I'll note also that she clearly feels being American is important, otherwise she would have given up her American citizenship. --Yamla 04:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Why the hell would she give it up and who says where you are born and technical citizenship has anything to do with nationality? Grant | Talk 04:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tom Cruise did not leave her knowing she was pregnant and be the cause of miscarriage

So whoever keeps putting that back in, get a life. They didn'tknow she was pregnant when they decided to end their relationship. He was not the cause of the miscarriage, she's pretty much never spoken about it.Johnpedia 23:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Please do not make personal attacks, and provide sources that they didnt know she was pregnant, and it doesnt state that he was the cause of the miscarriage. Joneleth 20:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Actress vs actor

In keeping with avoiding sexist language wherever possible, i any reference to nicole kidman as an actress to an actor. It is taken for granted that she is female, and while actor is the normative, supposedly generic term, actress seems to suggest that she is a deviation to this norm. i urge everyone to assist in making these changes wherever possible and maintaining their edits to this regard.

additionally, terms such as 'comedienne', 'murderess' and 'chairman' should be changed to their gender neutral equivilants wherever possible, sensical and relevant. Character234 04:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)Character234

Sorry but that's nonsense. There's nothing sexist about words like that and changing them is just pandering to the PC brigade. SteveLamacq43 14:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

it's not, it's just ridiculous to call her an actress when she's an actor. would you call a female murderer a murderess? there's no such thing as an actress. Character234 08:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

or would you call a female butcher a butchess? or a female doctor a doctoress? maybe a female chef a chefess? stop being ridiculous and leave it as it

I think that should be "butchress" and "doctress" ;-) Murderess is (or used to be) a widely-used word, but I think you're right in that "-ress" is a kind of diminutive. I can't see why anyone would object to gender-neutral terms, especially when it doesn't involve neologisms like "actperson". The use of "she" and her" in the article makes it clear that Kidman is female, so "actor" would be better, unless its a proper name like "Academy Award for Best Actress". Grant65 | Talk 13:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] birthplace

I thought I read somewhere once that she was born in Hawaii. Doesn't that rate a mention somewhere?

It's mentioned in the second sentence! --Steve (Slf67) talk 22:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed uncited content per BLP

Can be viewed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicole_Kidman&diff=104509876&oldid=104504403 -- CyberAnth 04:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Refs were added, not sure why you removed it again, but I've reverted your change. --Steve (Slf67) talk 05:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Awards List

Looking at this article, I was wondering if the exhaustive awards list is necessary. They're all important awards, but having a long list of awards and nominations just looks tacky, in my opinion. Perhaps they could just be mentioned in the career section and as special notes in the filmography, instead of being a separated section? I'd be willing to help with that if the rest of you agree. What do you all think? - Lulu288 00:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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