Talk:Nick Fury

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Contents 1 Sky Captain 2 Gay? 3 True Lies 4 I Have a Question 5 Falcon 7 from Birdman?

[edit] Sky Captain

Franky Cook in Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow also utilizes a flying base, much like the S.H.I.E.L.D. helicarrier(s). You might want to add that as a similarity to Nick Fury...

[edit] Gay?

What exactly did Stan Lee say in the citation below? That's an awfully big claim, and it's necessary to know Lee isn't being misconstrued.

He was replaced by Private Percival "Pinky" Pinkerton, a gay British soldier. (Stan Lee in Marvel Masterworks Sgt. Fury page vi)

--Tenebrae 21:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

In answer to the question about What did Stan Lee say, the exact quote is "This was probably the first series to feature an Irishman, a Southerner, A Jew, and Italian and a black, not to mention, later on, a new comer who might have been gay."

Let me question a rumor that is printed here. It had been said that Stan Lee had a bet with the publisher that he can choose a comic with a bad name and make it sell. He has NEVER supported that. Even in his interviews he says they would never do anything like that, why would they, they wanted the book to sell. This came out at the time that they were limited to only 16 titles. Why would they court failure. This really should be removed from the site.

Lefisc Barry Pearl

That's fine, and the "might" part is an important qualifier. But where did he say it? In that Marvel Masterworks edition you cite? With those typos and misspellngs? Or somewhere else. (Also, please Wikistyle to indent and to sign off. The former requires one or more colons before each paragraph. The latter requires you to type four tildes — the "~" symbol. Thanks --Tenebrae 18:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

First you have to forgive my typing, the original was spelled correctly. Stan Lee says this in the Introduction of the "Marvel Masterworks Sgt Fury #1." It is on page vi.

Can you please tell me where you heard Lee state the information about picking a bad sounding name? I have never heard him agree with that. It was Lee who said that they would never do anything not in the best interests of sales.

Lefisc

Please use the four tildes in order to time-stamp your comments according to Wiki policy and guidelines.

I've created a separate Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos article, which quotes from a book about the rise of Marvel Comics regarding Lee's and John Severin's memories regarding the creation of Sgt. Fury.

Please feel free to add the exact quote and properly cited reference, probably as a footnote by Pinkerton's name, at the Sgt. Fury article. Please see Wikipedia:Citing sources. Thanks. -- Tenebrae 21:26, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

As I have just finished my book on Marvel Comics, I did have some infomation to add to many articles. But I really don't have the time, and frankly the inclination, to figure out how to add new copy and change incorrect information using wikipedia complex and lenghty directions.

Not a problem. When the book comes out, Wiki contributors will likely go through it and add things to the varioius articles. Good luck with the book; I don't know anything about an upcoming Marvel book, but you can bet I'll buy it!--Tenebrae 17:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Dear Tenebrae:

Can I work with you on adding a comment to the Nick Fury article? I had written a larger paragraph that was taken out, but the jest of it I think was very important.

Marvel truly ended is “atlas” era when SHIELD was introduced. First, gone were the traditional mad scientist villain. But more than that, gone were the era where so many of their villains were communists, often from countries with made up names. With the Introduction of Hydra (then AIM, THEM and the Secret Empire) villains became part of technological international conspiracy that treaded its way throughout all their books. It was a major change in the series (Nick Fury) but it really changed Marvel.

I really would like to see a sentence or two about this in the article. Thanks again!

Barry

We have a mutual love of the old series, so no one appreciates your sentiment more than I, but I'm afraid the above graf goes against WP:OR and WP:POV, which prohibits such analysis — WIki doesn't allow what it calls "original research" or the type of scholarly conclusion-drawing of academic research. All that's allowed are concrete facts — which does allow for opinions bu authorities and experts. For example, a piece on Picasso might say, "Joe Smith, chief art critic of the Madrid Herald, called Picasso's early Cubist work crude [footnote here], but Jane Doe, curator of the Museum of Modern Art in New York, wrote that it transcended Impressionism and carved a new category of non-representational art" [footnote here], or whatever. Hope this helps! -- Tenebrae 17:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining your position so well. You are doing a really good job. Barry

That's very kind of you to say; I really appreciate it. I hope you stay with Wiki and contribute edits. If you go to Wikipedia:Five pillars, it's a real eye-opener. -- Tenebrae 18:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

You know, I don’t think many people know or appreciated the amount of time and research that goes into articles like these. Perhaps because they may, incorrectly, see the subject matter (comics) as less important or maybe they feel that “experts” in any field just have this information at hand and instantly can produce a fully documented article. Your articles are thoroughly documented and thoroughly interesting.

As for me, I do understand the extend of the research and the effort to me correct the first time. More than that, my work and effort covers Marvel from 1961-76. The articles here cover, in detail, more than that era, it takes us to the present. So when I wonder “whatever happened to…. Or with…..I can find out.

I also learned a new word: “reconned.” It has been fascinating so see what elements of a character stays and what elements change and what has been reconned, for better or worse.

It is great to see people treat this information so seriously. I will when I have the time, learn how to do annotate items correctly! I promise.(I probably though, won't be able to type better!) Thanks again! Barry.

[edit] True Lies

There's a character in True Lies played by Charlton Heston that resembles Nick Fury. He's named Spencer Trilby and is the director of the "Omega Sector," and displays the characteristic eye patch. Could this be a play a Nick Fury? Yutgoyun 04:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe the facts themselves could be listed in the "parodies" section; we couldn't draw a conclusion, since it may have just been coincidence, but the facts are the facts. -- Tenebrae 13:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I Have a Question

So the extortion for te infinity formula ended, what happened to the formula? Does he have all he wants now?--Mullon 02:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Falcon 7 from Birdman?

Wouldn't Falcon 7 from Birdman be another character inspired from Fury? It's also a leader/director of sorts of an organization against international terrorism and a mediator/boss of a superhero. Vicco Lizcano 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC) ^{(Tell me where I'm wrong)}