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I have removed the reference to the separatist movement ETA in Spain and freedom of expression. I found that the example was not appropiate since it was controversial. There are enough examples of governments curtailing freedom of expression to avoid making any reference to a politically sensible issue. There is already a page on the basque country.--- Nacho 82, Nov. 23 2006

Do any newspapers not have advertisements -- is this inevitable?

Some newspapers have editorial but not advertising, and some newspapers have advertising but no editorial. These are called Money Savers, Shoppers, etc.

eSun -- Nov. 2, 2002 ---

Warning: I am gonna do some re-writes unless someone has the urge to take it on. There are some things that grate on my nerves here. But I'm lazy. Please someone, take this on.

See also Wikipedia:Pages needing attention - Hephaestos 04:14 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I know about that, but as I said, I'm lazy. especially so now since my vactaion is almost over. I'm
pretty sure I'm gonna have to take this on myself anyway, but it distracts me from writing an article
about vending machines, of which is still stewing around in my head in the way to present it. I
get sidetracked often when I see something that needs attention. Fixing a spelling mistake or placing
a comma correctly is ok, but sitting down and doing a complete re-write of something I didn't intend to
in the first place just makes me tired. I wanna write what I want to, not fix poor articles, but I can't
stand to leave something that is not good enough. OK, all the time I just spent explaining, I could

have fixed this article&emdash;but I'm an idiot. Dmsar 04:35 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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The first regular English language newspaper, The Daily Courant was published for the first time on March 11, 1702. -- In what city? RickK 04:42 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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There is a good, brief Newspaper Timeline here, on the website of the World Association of Newspapers (WAN) [1]. I think the statement about the The Daily Courant is erroneous and this brief section should be replaced. There is also a page listing "the world's oldest newspapers" here: [2]. These could be used as reference by someone who wants to update this history. - Tom Arnold, March 11, 2004

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Ironically, recent criticism of American journalism appearing in the early 2000s includes that which says newspapers are too unbiased.

I've never heard of this. I've heard people who won't read the paper because of bias, but people saying newspapers aren't biased? That's just unheard of.

MSTCrow 02:42, May 26, 2004 (UTC)

Can someone please address this? I've gone back and re-read the "newspaper journalism" section, and I'm thinking it's rather subjective, assumes that all journalism is one large bloc of journalistic methods, and it needs to be removed and given a total rewrite.
MSTCrow 05:36, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] Newspaper sections

About the newspaper sections listed under the "United States" section: Are sections much different in other countries? Does this belong under "United States"? Maurreen 03:48, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

What happened to the history section? It disappeared in mid-Feb. with no note as to why...

[edit] split off student newspaper?

Given that nearly every university has its own, student newspapers in general seem worthy although individuals don't. It woudl also give a good place to redirect to. Thoughts? Dunc|☺ 19:26, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Right now, I think the separate article has too little material to warrant being on its own. If there is going to be a separate article, I think it should focus on topics that are particular to student newspapers (such as censorship in that setting, etc.) Maurreen 21:27, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] The future of newspapers

I found this two links relavant [3] and [4]

[edit] The Sun

  • Is The Sun really considered a newspaper?
    • Don't know about this Sun, but both the Sun and the Sun are definitely newspapers. Interestingly, the latter is a broadsheet but usually considered tabloid journalism. In the Chinese media, broadsheet is usual, even for "tabloid" (extremely sensational) papers.—Gniw (Wing) 22:53, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
      • Technically, yes. If you are a broadsheet-reader who considers The Sun and its ilk to be the gutter press, then you might disagree. — Paul G 18:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Is it worth mentioning that The Economist considers itself a newspaper rather than a magazine? Src: [5]
IMHO, no. It doesn't fit any of the generally accepted criteria of newspaper, as compared to magazine. I think the term is kept as part of the Economist's quirky personality (god bless it). - DavidWBrooks 13:06, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WSJ biased

The article states that "The Wall Street Journal has a history of emphasising the position of the right".

This is controversial, for example the wikipedia article on the WSJ itself states that there is a sharp distinction between the news and the (op-)ed pages. While the latter is undoubtedly conservative the former is even referred to as liberal in the article.

At a minimum the comment should be phrased similar to the statement about the NYT: "The New York Times is often criticised for a leftist slant [...]"

I reject that the NYT has a "leftist" slant at all, but that aside for the moment, the WSJ does have a right wing outlook on its editoral pages, but its reportage of news is some of the best in print as far as business news goes. Calicocat 17:32, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Project Journalism

We've undertaken a new project on Journalism, please see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Journalism and get involved with the discussions and work on this interesting project. Calicocat 17:46, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I fail to see how the distribution of the Herald and Scotsman newspapers can be described as quasi-national. Unless the fact that Scotland is a nation is being disputed. (Anon)

Maybe we could say something like "the Herald and Scotsman are distributed throughout Scotland but are not usually encompassed by the term national press". There's also the Western Mail in Cardiff for that matter. Barnabypage 20:32, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] inaccuracies

The newspaper timeline is innacurate the "Courante uyt Italien ende Duytschlandt &c." the first Dutch paper was published in Amsterdam in 1618 not 1632 (source: Stephens, Mitchell "A History Of News" New York: Haracourt Brace College Publishers, 1997). As well the first English-language paper was, "Corrant out of Italy, Germany, &c." published in Amsterdam in 1620 it was a translation of the aformentioned Dutch paper (same source)

[edit] Canadian Newspapers?

I find it highly strange that though there are dozens of countries listed, Canada wasn't in there. Why's that? (Heck, they supply the paper America uses!)

We're waiting for you to do it? - DavidWBrooks 11:01, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] National sections

The newspaper section should be an overview of newspapers, and have links to national sections. Matthew kokai 00:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Most Reputable Newspapers?

Can someone provide a short blurb on which newspapers are most reputable, as in perhaps a list of a few newspapers that would be well worth reading? NY Times is one but a good list would add to this site.

Would inevitably be POV, I fear. I can just hear the comments now: "You only choose the Guardian/Wall Street Journal because you're a commie/fascist..." Barnabypage 16:09, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Newspaper Suppression?

The timeline lists when newspapers were founded, but doesn't mention if/when countries suppressed the publications. Thoughts? Include `censorship' section? GChriss 13:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

A censorship section / discussion - even separate article - sounds excellent. Trying to do any kind of timeline of supression would, I think, be incredibly difficult, if for no other reason than it's common for papers to be shut for a while, reopen, be shut again, etc. - DavidWBrooks 19:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bundles and Distribution

I was thinking there should be sections on: 1] Creation Process 2] Printing (through the ages) 3] Distribution (newsies to modern times)

Information I came to this article for were: 1] Standard bundle size, when the standard bundle was established, and how the bundling has changed over time.

[edit] "Thursday school lunch menus" ?

In rare instances (e.g. Thursday school lunch menus) the advertising may not change from one zone to another, but there will be different region-specific editorial content

What does this mean? I don't understand the example. - SimonLyall 07:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Many US newspapers run the lunch menus for the following school week, so kids can decide whether to take their lunch on Tuesday or buy the pizza, for example. These will differ from town (or school district) to town. Not the clearest of examples, perhaps. - DavidWBrooks 10:21, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, very strange. I can't think of another obvious example. Perhaps local weather or sports results? - SimonLyall 08:50, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of the newspaper

We have see also History of British newspapers and History of American newspapers, but nothing on general history and no section on it in the article. This needs to be fixed. Here are some sources: [6], [7], [8] - all from a quick Google search.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  19:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with  Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus . I also missed a history section. --Ben T/C 20:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Would a section here do, or a separate article? I could post something on the early, or even, pre-history of the newspaper. Gun Powder Ma 16:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Types of newspaper

The word 'types' can have more than one meaning (especially in newspapers), so I am changing the sub-heading to the above, to avoid confusion. – Agendum 20:51, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Colours of sports papers

The article suggests that the two sports papers printed on pink and yellow paper led to the sports they reported on featuring clothing of those colours ("were reflected in") rather than vice versa. If, as seems much more likely, the papers' colours are derived from the colours of the clothing worn in the sports, then "were reflected in" needs to be changed to "reflected", or maybe "reflect": surely they still do represent the colours used in the sport, if these or the papers' colours haven't changed? — Paul G 18:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prestige

Prestige is the standing or estimation in the eyes of people, weight or credit in general opinion. That said, should an encyclopedia say a daily or sunday weekly is more prestigious than a weekly? It is opinion not fact. (Thedudejessemullen 00:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Press Associations

Does anybody know anything about, or know of a page on wikipedia about national and statewide press associations. Examples would be the WPA (Woming Press Association) or ONPA (Oregon Newspaper Publishers Association), even NNA (National Newspaper Association). I know these organizations have a lot of influence on papers... ad sharing, training, conventions, etc., but I don't have the skills to begin a new page or to do a detailed upload. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thedudejessemullen (talk • contribs) 21:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Questionable content

"However, those Sunday newspapers that do not have weekday editions are not considered to be weekly newspapers,"


According to who? Why would a paper that only comes out on Sunday not be considered a weekly newspaper? A weekly paper by simple definition is a paper that comes out once a week.

(Thedudejessemullen 22:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC))

Good point. I think it was I who added that phrase (long ago) and that I was thinking of ABC's distinction, in the UK, between national Sunday newspapers and local weekly newspapers. (They are treated by ABC as different categories.) It certainly could be phrased better - see below... Barnabypage 00:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] time for a rewrite?

Revisiting this article today, it strikes me that the content is generally pretty good, but the organisation is a bit chaotic. I suggest we need a complete rewrite, starting out with a definition of a newspaper; giving some history; proceeding into a brief account different types; then sectionalising business models, job titles, internationalisation, role of the Internet, etc. etc., but only linking to those topics when they are fully covered elsewhere on Wikipedia.

I can't do this in the next three weeks, but would be happy to do so thereafter. In the meantime - does that sound to other editors like a good path to follow? Barnabypage 00:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Perhaps if you have a coherent plan in your head, as it sounds like you do, you could drop an outline here for others to consider, before starting to rewrite. Or you could create a temporary page and do the rewrite there, then see if anybody has suggestions, before replacing this article with it. - DavidWBrooks 18:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
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