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I have added * Newfoundland and Labrador Links, first to Miscellaneous and then to External Links on the Wikipedia Newfoundland&Labrador page, only to have it removed by cmh. We have had the discussion below between the 999s. I have taken Colin's suggestion and moved the discussion here. I would appreciate some feedback from the NL editors. I don't see * Newfoundland and Labrador Links, as 'spam' and over the past 12 months approximately 40,000 page views would indicate that there is an appetite for this NL data collection. More than half of the traffic is return visitors. Thanks to Colin for the discussion, and I look forward to your opinions.
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Please do not add commercial links or links to your own private websites to Wikipedia, as you did in Newfoundland and Labrador. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. You are, however, encouraged to add content instead of links. See the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. -- cmh 23:28, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Please stop adding commercial links to Wikipedia. It is considered spamming, and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising. Thanks. -- cmh 19:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Pardon my inexperience at this, Colin! How is my link different than VisitNewfoundland.ca which appears in the same section. "Something for Everybody" is more than a 'mere' collection of links; I would challenge you to find a similiar website that has more Newfoundland and Labrador content. There are currently more than 1500 links on this site and most of them are NL decicated. My site is not a commercial site; I have never earned 2 cents from it.
If you would examine the content instead of parsing it with your clever script/bot you would see that this link is appropriate to Wiki re Newfoundland and Labrador. ARE YOU the final arbiter of content???
Thanks. -- Mac 22:07, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Mac, thanks for responding. The link you are adding is to your personal collection of links on NL. This is not encyclopedic, as per Wikipedia's Wikipedia:External links policy which states not to link to "A website that you own or maintain, even if the guidelines above imply that it should be linked to." The guideline only mentions "one web directory" in terms of web directories, and yours is neither open-source nor annotated. (There is no content but links on your page, which is not useful to those looking to an encyclopedia for prose.) Why not treat the topics in your list in the encyclopedia instead of insisting on a link to your own site?
Regarding commerciality, many of the links on your page are not related to NL and are to businesses. I am not the final arbiter of spam, but others are not stepping up to the plate to defend your link. There is no script. -- cmh 22:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Colin,
Your continual condesending references to spam are unwarranted. If I add a link and 'you' arbitarily delete it; how can anyone come to the plate? It is the 19th of July after all; many people (unlike you and I) have a life and are probably on vacation with their friends and family.
Why don't you leave the link alone for a week and see if others appreciate the content or object to it. I spent 38 years working in the data/computer field, I have an appreciation for data integrity. Most of the links on my page are annotated with title tips that are displayed when you hover a la text tips. This is to provide the user with information to let them ascertain whether they might be interested in the link in question.
Have a nice day!
-- Mac 23:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
At this time I see no reason why the link should be there, it violates the external link policy, and I do not believe it adds value. Should you wish to obtain support for the link, I recommend you discuss with other editors at Talk:Newfoundland and Labrador. At this time I don't believe I have more to say on the topic. -- cmh 03:42, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
999
Have a nice day!
Mac 13:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
An event in this article is a April 1 selected anniversary (may be in HTML comment).
I agree the term "newfies" may be derogatory and insulting, but racist? Let's be real here.Loomis51 22:44, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Isn't the official name of Rhode Island actually something like Rhode Island and Providence Plantations? Of course, everyone just calls it Rhode Island. I am curious if anyone in Canada is actually going to use the new official full name when referring to the province.
- Many people call it just Newfoundland, but I've seen much more "Newfoundland and Labrador" than I've ever seen "Rhode Island and Providence Plantations"; the name's official for all intents and purposes, and Canada Post is changing the two-letter abbrev. from NF to NL. - user:Montrealais
- As a footnote, a lot of people still say "St. John's, Newfoundland", but then again I've heard "Happy Valley, Labrador" too. Both names are strictly speaking correct - they just don't refer to the province. - mtlais
This is a name change that resulted from the people of Labrador feeling ignored by the island portion of the province. By including it in the official provincial name, they felt it would officially recognize them. It's an important symbolic gesture. - JustinBathurst
Note on disambiguation: the province is at Newfoundland and Labrador, the island at Newfoundland. Historical references to the province before the name was changed should be to [[Newfoundland and Labrador|Newfoundland]]. - Montréalais
That map is horrible by the way. Although I guess you already knew that. Are there any other sources of free maps out there? dave 18:09 20 Jul 2003 (UTC)
This article says that the island was inhabited by the Inuit and Beothuk. Did the Inuit really range this far south, or is this a mistake for Innu (who are First Nations, not Inuit)? - Montréalais
I know there were natives on the island (I've been there, the Newfoundland museum), and I looked on the web. The Beothuk and and Micmac were the only native peoples to inhabit the island. Vancouverguy 16:50, 21 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Is "noofin-LAND" really the only acceptable pronunciation? All my relatives from Newfoundland pronounce it like that, of course, but everyone else emphasizes the "found" part...or sometimes even the "new" is emphasized. Shouldn't that be mentioned as well? Adam Bishop 02:56, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- Elsewhere in Canada, they say "NEWfinland" or "newfinLAND." "newFOUNDland" is barbaric. - 67.68.242.174
Just to clarify, we're talking about official pronunciation. People in English parts of North America often pronounce foreign names differently, but it doesn't mean it impacts the official pronunciation. Besides, Newfoundlanders speak a dialect that often has different stresses on words. This is one of them.
[edit] Adding a folklore/cultural subject to NL & Lab entry?
Do you think it would be worth while to have some information on the cultural aspects and folklore of Newfoundland? There can be included Newfoundland Stories and Newfie Jokes and things about how various towns meet or met their needs through fishing, hunting, trading. el gato sólido
[edit] Disputing the "Republic"
Newfoundland was never a republic, so I wonder whether that reference should be removed from the article. In recent years it is becoming common to see T-shirts featuring the old Newfoundland pink, white and green flag and the words "Republic of Newfoundland." However, this is more of a political statement than a reflection of true history.
I believe it was the Dominion of Newfoundland. This is the basis of the Republic that is becoming more urgent these days among many Newfoundlanders.
Becoming more urgent? It's another townie nationalist fad that crops up from time to time. Newfoundland never was a republic. This is entirely ahistorical.
Quite. Newfoundland has always had a monarch as the head of government --- before and after we received representative and then responsible government --- never a president, hence the word 'Republic' is nonsensical. Iainsona 04:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Official language
This says, "Official language: English and French." Does Nfld-Lab actually have official language legislation stating this? Or is this just a claim about government practices? As far as I am aware, New Brunswick is the only officially bilingual province, as specified in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. At any rate, even if this is the case, the provincial symbols box is a somewhat incongruous place to put it. - Montréalais 18:54, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
NL has federally designated bilingual areas, those being Port au Port, some areas of Labrador and St Johns. We're not "officially" French. JellieBellie 14:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] City Populations
I've put in a table of city populations by urban area. I prefer Statistics Canada's "Urban Area" designation to the municipal stats, because if you're visiting this page to learn about the Province, it lists off the various population concentrations. Basically, it's defined by uninterrupted population density, so it's not about commuter populations (for example, Witless Bay is not considered part of St. John's, but Mount Pearl is, and that tip of Paradise that sticks down is, because the streets all connect, and the population density just continues right across.) In the long run, I actually think it's more valuable information than municipal population, because, unless you're interested in taxation base or municipal goverment (sure, some are, but this is an overview article) it's more useful to know about the population base, not the city limits population. AshleyMorton 15:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
The "Urban Area" stats for most NL towns are utterly useless and should NEVER be used. The "Urban Area" stat for Happy Valley-Goose Bay, for instance, is substantiall smaller than the town's population, let alone its even larger cachement area. "Uninterrupted population density" is a dumb standard to go by. It has also led people in some towns to believe that their populations have shrunk, or shrunk more than they actually have, because they compare "Urban Area" to the previous full municipalities population.
[edit] External Links
IMHO, I believe that the list should be kept to a bare minimum and on topic. The list of items have or will have topics written about them, which is where most of those links will eventually wind-up. Comments! HJKeats 13:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Couldn't agree more. I have trimmed a lot of the Miscellaneous links (mostly spam or other violations of WP:EL). What I think needs to happen next is to take the Communities section and turn it into links to the articles on the communities and move the ext links for those communities to those articles. Likewise with the Newspaper section, leaving only those that are N&L-wide. Maybe some of the History links should also be moved to local articles? Anyway, it definitely needs work! -- Mwanner | Talk 21:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- The links for communities is unnecessary, again IMHO, as a list currently exists of the communities (List of communities in Newfoundland and Labrador). This list can be used as a To-Do list for creation of the articles and by osmoses, as the articles get created those links will reappear. I would say lets trash the community links! HJKeats 22:01, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
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- OK, I've started with Baie Verte. This won't be a quick and easy task-- many, maybe most of these towns need (at least) new stubs created. I'm inclined to leave the long list of Community external links until we have them all moved to community articles, then delete 'em all at once. Onward and unpward. -- Mwanner | Talk 23:29, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
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I changed some historic sites from external links to wikilinks to existing articles. The list of newspaper is totaly out of place on the province page, as many are local papers (and the links would belong to the communities that they serve, if there...) Qyd(talk)02:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Link spam and the overuse of external links in this article
The use of external links as a means of redirected readers to further information must be kept to a bare minimum and used only as a means of shoring up a fact, view, opinion or backup to a legitimate resource. If a statement is made within the text of the article (keep in mind that it has to have an encyclopedic context) and an external weblink can be cited as a reliable and legitimate source then some professionalism must be applied by using reference notes. HJKeats 13:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Moved links from article
Looks like the consensus is that all those external links are overkill. I am moving all links forom the article here, in case someone wants to use them in related pages:
In case some links are relevant to the province (but not parts of the province or other related articles), please add them back (as references preferably). Please don't put them all back, as this is a blatant case of link repository . See WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files. --Qyd 22:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Please expand
Was going to refer a friend to this article (she's travelling in Newfoundland), but it really needs to cover the economy, geography, politics and such. Would appreciate expansion, thanks. A-giau 06:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Official Languages
In the info box, it states that the official languages of NL are English and French, if ym memory serves me right, New Brunswick is the only province in the country where English and French are both official languages of the province. English is the only official language of NL, someone needs to look deeper into this because i don't believe that this is correct.
- I don't think that Newfoundland and Labrador has any legislation on official languages, I believe English is de facto. I can't find anywhere that actually says that though so I'll leave it up to someone else if it should be changed or not. Jeremiad 21:31, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Official flower, tree, and bird
I think these should be removed from the main infobox (especially since images are included) and moved to the box directly following including other official items (animal, mineral, dog, tartan, seal, logo, etc.). If there are no objections over the next while I'll make the change. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 15:43, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- Strong support, especially since the boxes overlap on wide displays (a shorter top box would fix the problem). --Qyd 16:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- Agree with your observations. HJKeats 17:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] What is this?
Are the page authors aware of the content of the last sentence on this para?
I have tried to delet this irrelevant content in 'edit', but have been unable to do so.
While the name "Newfoundland" is derived from English as "New Found Land", Labrador is named after Portuguese explorer João Fernandes Lavrador. Santana is the worst baseball player eva'.
[edit] Languages in Intro
A response I posted to the anonymous user's talk, reproduced here he he or she will probably never see that talk page:
I am again reverting your re-addition of the names. First off, just because something is found in another article is not a reason for inclusion in this article (perhaps, in fact, the other article's inclusion is also not appropriate). In Nova Scotia, the first is a translation of the Latin, so it's different. As for the Gaelic, I would argue that it is not appropriate. Now, for the Latin on the Newfoundland page, while it has historically been called "Terra Nova" poetically, it certainly has not ever been called that in common use. In addition, the Latin does not include a reference to Labrador. As for the Irish, it is somewhat interesting in that Irish is the only language that has an original name for Newfoundland (the rest are translations), however, again, it's not really of use in the intro. It also loses some of its interest when Labrador is included in it (since historically it wasn't called a name including Labrador, and that removes the whole original name bit, too). └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 20:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
