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[edit] the people in the pictures

okay but seriously, the pictures of New Zealand Europeans are a bit weird. One, does Karl Urban call himself European? And for two, do you think the people reading this article never saw a white person before? Kripto 06:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

This highlights the general problems with those kind of galleries - the idea that a few pictures of random people are representative of an entire population is ridiculous, and the idea that you can look at a supposedly representative NZ European (or Maori or North African or Peruvian or whatever) and thereby gain any understanding of that group is silly at best. --Helenalex 22:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Good stuff Kripto, I'll have a closer look and see what I can add in good time A.J.Chesswas 12:59, 30 January 2007 (NZT)

There are 2.6 million European-British P***** New Zealanders. I want a picture on the page. Or, I'm gonna take the pictures down, because they're pointless. Kripto 09:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Europeans or New Zealand Europeans

This article currently seems to ignore the distinction between Europeans living in New Zealand, and New Zealand Europeans. There were 2,609,592 European usual residents counted in the 2006 census, of which only 2,381,076 were New Zealand Europeans.[1] Which should this article be about? There are also many people living outside NZ who would identify as New Zealand Europeans, who we have not mentioned. -- Avenue 10:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Zealand British

This still seems to me to be OR. The quote by Holyoake does not include the term "New Zealand British" and neither does the listener one. It's all very unclear whether this is about being of British ancestry or calling oneself "New Zealand British" (the term). If it is about the term then isn't saying "I'm British" and saying "I'm New Zealand British" completely different? If it's about being of British ancestry then does this require it's own section? Why is it any different to being of German, French, Irish ancestry? The section is confusing and as it is now I don't know if it warrants it's own section. - Shudda ^talk 02:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

And neither does the recently added quote from Don Brash. All it shows is that the former leader of the opposition thought that some societal values in New Zealand were derived from the British. That doesn't equate to being ethnically British; one could be Maori and hold British values dear (whatever they are) --Lholden 08:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)