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Contents 1 NY-17 in Pennsylvania? 2 PA-17 Reference 3 Old alignments 4 Recent Edits to This Article 5 NY 17 in Pennsylvania? ... !

[edit] NY-17 in Pennsylvania?

• Since I've gotten involved in this project, I've become much more observant of the roads I drive often. I was driving on NY-17 today, and I got to that funny little part (between miles 205 and 206) where it dips ever-so-briefly into PA. I noticed that during that short little one-mile stretch while it is in PA, there is a NY-17 sign. So even though the road is technically in Pennsylvania, it is still signed as NY-17. Is that unique? Should it be mentioned on this page somewhere? -Skudrafan1 00:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

When I cleaned up this page a while ago, I thought about mentioning this odd fact (as I believe this situation occurs in only two places: NY-17 near Waverly and on another route that straddles the NY-CT border) and I think that it does deserve mentioning, IMO. --TwinsMetsFan 02:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

NY 120A is signed as an NY route despite running along the state line, even when it dips completely into Connecticut. Also, see I-684, which cuts through a corner of Connecticut for a mile or so without exits. Daniel Case 15:46, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, I added it to the page, using this information. Feel free to edit if you'd like. -Skudrafan1 16:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Good. But the NY 34/PA 199 exit is also within PA, at least partially see here. I know the signs along the highway that say "STATE BORDER" come just before that exit when you're coming westbound. (Speaking of which, a picture of one of them would be great).

As an aside, we have two other instances where we run state highways very close to our land boundaries: NY 417, which I have listed as the northern terminus of PA 44 because it's about 50 feet from the state line, and NY 276, which runs right along the Canadian border for its middle third (I can't even get TopoZone to show me the topo map section, since their software says it's not in the US). We seem to be unique in this department. Daniel Case 03:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

My personal thoughts: for the NY 34/PA 199 exit, this could be noted in the notes column of the Major Intersections table. For the other highways that come close to, and ride along, the borders of New York State, I believe this info is best reserved for the individual articles discussing the route in question (such as NY-417).

BTW, Skudrafan1, welcome to the NYSR project. :) --TwinsMetsFan 04:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC) Minor formatting edit:TwinsMetsFan 04:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PA-17 Reference

Quote from the article: The highway then becomes Pennsylvania State Route 17

IIRC, the PA portion of route 17, at least the one in question here, was decommissioned and completely replaced by I-86. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me. --TwinsMetsFan 04:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware of (and according to Google Earth and Wikipedia) I-86's easterly terminus is in Horseheads, Chemung County, near Elmira, New York at the intersection with NY 14. NY 17's dip into PA is actually 13.54 miles southeast (as the crow flies) of 86's easterly terminus. Also, as far as I am aware, that 1 mile stretch is the only dip NY 17 takes into PA. Please double-check my correction at Interstate 86 (east) and any questions, feel free to let me know. --Ebac on keyboard 11:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I believe TwinsMetsFan is speaking of this part of the article: (The highway then becomes Pennsylvania State Route 17, which merges into Interstate 90 outside Erie, Pennsylvania.) This is a completely different issue from NY-17's entrance into Pennsylvania's Bradford County. --Skudrafan1 20:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Skudrafan, you are correct. I was referring to the former PA 17 expressway between Erie and the PA-NY border at Findley Lake, which I believe is no longer PA 17 and has become just I-86. --TwinsMetsFan 20:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I have corrected the PA 17 reference in the article. --TwinsMetsFan 07:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Old alignments

New York State Route 394, New York State Route 430 (running where the freeway to NY 17 is, then straight into NY 430 south of NY 17), New York State Route 394, Old Route 17, Red House Road, New York State Route 417, Addison-South Hamilton Road, New York State Route 415, New York State Route 352 (how did it get there from NY 415?), Big Flats Road, New York State Route 14, New York State Route 352, NY 17, Old NY 17, CR 60, New York State Route 17C, New York State Route 434 (crossed the river in Owego), U.S. Route 11, NY 17 (part of old road is named Liberty Highway), Old NY 17, NY 17 (from Deposit to Hancock), Old Route 17, NY 17, Parksville Road, Main Street, Sullivan Avenue, Harris Road, Old Route 17, Broadway, Wurtsboro Mountain Road, Sullivan Street, Bloomingburg Mountain Road, Bloomingburg Road, New York State Route 17M, NY 17

Much of it was called the Liberty Highway (possibly because of Liberty, NY),[1] but that turned north at Wellsville, NY via Scio, NY on NY 19 heading west,[2] and went north from Andover, NY on NY 21,[3] also on NY 17 near East Branch, NY[4][5][6][7]

I think the Liberty Highway followed the Erie Railroad where it differed from NY 17. --SPUI (T - C) 02:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Until the 1930 renumbering, NY 17 used 16, near present 17 and 19 from Olean to Wellsville and 21 and 36 from Andover to Jasper. Both new cutoffs had been unnumbered. --SPUI (T - C) 02:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Edits to This Article

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New York State routes#New York State Route 17. --TwinsMetsFan 19:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NY 17 in Pennsylvania? ... !

The section that was added and later removed isn't the same one Skudrafan1 was referring to. I have added the information about the dip into Pennsylvania near Waverly. — Michael J 15:48, 3 September 2006 (UTC)